What Are the Net Forces Acting on the Kuiper Belt Object Ultima Thule?

In summary, the conversation discusses the rotation period and estimated density of a Kuiper Belt object, Ultima Thule. It provides information about the two spheres, Ultima and Thule, including their radii and the distance between their centers of rotation. The conversation then goes on to solve for the net forces at two extreme points, A and B, and the ratio of gravitational to centrifugal forces. Ultimately, the conversation focuses on finding the center of mass of Ultima Thule, with a calculated difference of 12% compared to the given distance.
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Homework Statement


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A Kuiper Belt object, Ultima Thule, rotates once every 15 hours.
It has an estimated density of 1000 kg/m^3.
Ultima, the larger sphere, has a radius of 9000 meters.
Thule, the smaller sphere, has a radius of 6500 meters.
The center of rotation is 4200 meters from the center of Ultima.
G = 6.674E-11 m^3⋅kg−1⋅s−2

a. Find the net forces at the extreme points, A & B. Express the answers as acceleration.
b. Find the ratio of the gravitational to centrifugal forces

2019.01.06.pf.Ultima.Thule.hw.problem.png

x coordinates are in meters


2. Homework Equations


Force of gravity = G M1m2/r^2
Centrifugal force = mrω²
F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution



Step 1
The accelerations can be found by setting F = ma equal to the two forces, and eliminating m.
F = ma = GM1m2/r^2
a = GM1/r^2​
F = ma = mrω²
a = rω²
Step 2
I found the volumes and masses of the two spheres
Ultima:
volume = 4/3π(9000^3) = 3.05E+12 m^3
mass = 3.05e12 m^3 * 1000 kg/m^3 = 3.05e15 kg​

Thule:
volume = 4/3π(6500^3) = 1.15E+12 m^3
mass = 1.15e12 m^3 * 1000 kg/m^3 = 1.15e15 kg​

Step 3
Since the object is odd shaped, I broke the gravitational force into two parts:
Net gravitational force = the force from the near sphere + the force from the distant sphere.

Ultima point A
Acc_grav = G(3.05e15 kg)/((9000m)^2) + G(1.15e15 kg)((24500m)^2)
= 0.002516 + 0.000128
= 0.002644 m/s^2

Thule point B
Acc_grav = G(3.05e15 kg)/((22000m)^2) + G(1.15e15 kg)/((6500m)^2)
= 0.000421 + 0.001817
= 0.002238 m/s^2

Step 4
Find the accelerations due to rotation from the center of rotation, point C:
distance C to A: 13,200 m
distance C to B: 17,800 m

convert 15 hours into radians/sec
15*60*60 = 54,200 seconds/revolution
2π radians/revolution
ω = (2π rad/rev)/(54200 sec/rev) = 0.000116 radians/second

a = rω²
Ultima point A
Acc_centr = 13200m * ((0.000116/s)^2) = 0.000179 m/s^2

Thule point B
Acc_centrifugal = 17800m * ((000116/s)^2) = 0.000241 m/s^2

Step 5
Chose a sign convention: Force towards the asteroid is positive.

Step 6
Provide the answers
a.
Ultima point A
Net acc = 0.002644 m/s^2 - 0.000179 m/s^2
net acc = 0.0025 m/s^2

Thule point B
net acc = 0.002238 m/s^2 - 0.000241 m/s^2
net acc = 0.0020 m/s^2

b.
Ultima
ratio = 0.002644 m/s^2 / 0.000179 m/s^2 = 15

Thule

ratio = 0.002238 m/s^2 / 0.000241 m/s^2 = 9.3

ps. This is not real homework, so there is no answer in the back of the book. I normally wouldn't post such a trivial problem, but I've gotten indications from 2 different people that my answers may not be correct.
 

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Looks good. The approach is fine and all numbers I checked are fine as well.

Quick cross-check: For a sphere with the density of Earth the critical rotation period (centrifugal force = gravity) would be 1.5 hours, the period of a low Earth orbit. 15 hours gives you a safety factor of 100. The density is a factor 5 lower here so our factor goes down to 20. The non-spherical shape removes mass, which makes the factor go down a bit more.
 
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I said your previous answers were not correct but the distances you are now using look good to me.
Seems I'd picked up a false idea about inv. sqr law near to a spherical object. The fact it is exact is quite neat.

Using the masses you calculate, the barycentre distance estimate is 4244km but I'm guessing that NASA have derived their value from observations.

BC_U = ( rT+rU ) * mT / (mT + mU) = 4244km
 
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fizzy said:
I said your previous answers were not correct
I actually don't remember that.
but the distances you are now using look good to me.
That's strange, as all of the number changed, but the answers look consistent with the changes, so my guess is that my original calculations were also correct.

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Seems I'd picked up a false idea about inv. sqr law near to a spherical object. The fact it is exact is quite neat.

Using the masses you calculate, the barycentre distance estimate is 4244km but I'm guessing that NASA have derived their value from observations.

BC_U = ( rT+rU ) * mT / (mT + mU) = 4244km

I've not seen a value posted by NASA. Like you, I calculated the center of mass from the given numbers.
Doh! I see I forgot that comparison.
Distance of center of mass to center of Ultima:
2nd attempt 4700m
hw attempt 4200m
difference: 12%​
 

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1. What are net forces on Ultima Thule?

Net forces on Ultima Thule refer to the overall forces acting on the distant object, which is located in the Kuiper Belt beyond Pluto. These forces include gravitational forces from other celestial bodies, such as the Sun and nearby planets, as well as any external forces from objects within the Kuiper Belt itself.

2. How do net forces affect Ultima Thule's orbit?

Net forces play a crucial role in determining Ultima Thule's orbit around the Sun. Depending on the strength and direction of these forces, Ultima Thule's orbit can be affected in various ways, such as becoming more elliptical or changing its speed.

3. What is the current understanding of net forces on Ultima Thule?

Scientists are still studying and analyzing data to fully understand the net forces on Ultima Thule. However, based on initial observations and calculations, it is believed that these forces are relatively weak due to the object's distance from the Sun and other large celestial bodies.

4. How do scientists measure net forces on Ultima Thule?

Scientists use various methods to measure net forces on Ultima Thule, including analyzing data from telescopes and spacecraft, as well as conducting simulations and mathematical calculations. This allows them to estimate the strength and direction of these forces and how they may affect Ultima Thule's orbit.

5. Can net forces on Ultima Thule change over time?

Yes, net forces on Ultima Thule can change over time due to various factors, such as the positions and movements of other celestial bodies, as well as any changes in the composition or structure of Ultima Thule itself. This is why ongoing research and observations are crucial to fully understand and predict the net forces on Ultima Thule.

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