Neutral particle oscillation and energy conservation

In summary: My problem is: why does this not contradict energy conservation?The short-lived component of the wave-function decays quickly, after which only the long-lived component remains.Does that mean that at the time the particle is created, it is not created as a KS{K}_\text{S} or KL{K}_\text{L}, and its lifetime is not fixed?As far as I know, the particles are produced, e.g., as K0{K}^0 (a flavor eigenstate?), which can be written as a mixture of KS{K}_\text{S} and KL{K}_\text{L}. These
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I have question that I've been thinking about for some time now, and that I can't get my head around. I an experimentalist without education in quantum field theory, and my quantum mechanics introduction courses were a long time ago, so bear with me please.

As far as I understand, neutral kaons oscillate between [itex]{K}^0[/itex] and [itex]\bar{K}^0[/itex], and this process comes about because of box-type Feynman diagrams. They decay either very quickly as [itex]{K}_\text{S}[/itex] or after a long lifetime as [itex]{K}_\text{L}[/itex]. This is sometimes explained as: The short-lived component of the wave-function decays quickly, after which only the long-lived component remains.

Does that mean that at the time the particle is created, it is not created as a [itex]{K}_\text{S}[/itex] or [itex]{K}_\text{L}[/itex], and its lifetime is not fixed? As far as I know, the particles are produced, e.g., as [itex]{K}^0[/itex] (a flavor eigenstate?), which can be written as a mixture of [itex]{K}_\text{S}[/itex] and [itex]{K}_\text{L}[/itex]. These two have different masses.

My problem is: why does this not contradict energy conservation? I guess it's a quantum effect, having to do with not knowing the particle's mass until it is measured. But then, I don't understand how it is produced in the first place. For producing a particle, I need energy equal to its mass. If, say, I look at the decay [itex]K^*(892) \to K^0 \pi^0[/itex], knowing the [itex]K^*(892)[/itex] mass and the pion's energy and momentum should let me calculate the kaon's mass. So how can I have a chance of measuring different masses later (even though the difference is on the scale of μeV)? Does the particles' width/mass uncertainty give the necessary wiggle room? Or would an exact measurement of the pion "collapse" the state and determine whether I have a [itex]{K}_\text{S}[/itex] or [itex]{K}_\text{L}[/itex]?

The same question bugs me with neutrinos, which oscillate between flavors but are assumed to have (as far as I know) slightly different masses.

I'm sorry for the long post. Here are a few additional points that confuse me, mainly concerning nomenclature:
  • Is it true that the [itex]{K}^0[/itex] is a flavor eigenstate, but not a mass eigenstate?
  • Does that mean that I cannot assign a mass to it at all? Then again, the [itex]{K}^0[/itex] and [itex]\bar{K}^0[/itex] are the only particle-antiparticle pair here, so does the principle of the two having equal masses not apply here?
  • Does the strong interaction always produce flavor eigenstates?
  • How do the terms in these groups relate to each other? (I'm not expecting an answer here, I just want to demonstrate my confusion):
  1. Kaons
    • [itex]{K}^0[/itex] and [itex]\bar{K}^0[/itex]
    • [itex]{K}_1[/itex] and [itex]{K}_2[/itex] (often used in explanations of CP violation as the not-quite CP eigenstates)
    • [itex]{K}_\text{S}[/itex] and [itex]{K}_\text{L}[/itex]
  2. Eigenstates:
    • Mass eigenstate
    • CP eigenstate
    • Strong eigenstate
    • Weak eigenstate
    • Flavor eigenstate
    • Strangeness eigenstate
    • Isospin eigenstate
 
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tg85 said:
I need energy equal to its mass.
Total energy has to equal its mass, but you have rest energy and kinetic energy.
The differences between the two particles are way too tiny to see them with precise measurements of other particles - just have a look at the K*(892) width, it is tens of MeV.

tg85 said:
Is it true that the ##{K}^0## is a flavor eigenstate, but not a mass eigenstate?
Right.
tg85 said:
Does that mean that I cannot assign a mass to it at all? Then again, the ##{K}^0## and ##\bar{K}^0## are the only particle-antiparticle pair here, so does the principle of the two having equal masses not apply here?
You can consider the CP eigenstates K1 and K2, both are their own antiparticles. They are close to the KL and KS (but not exactly -> CP violation).
tg85 said:
Does the strong interaction always produce flavor eigenstates?
Yes.
 
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tg85 said:
Does that mean that at the time the particle is created, it is not created as a KS{K}_\text{S} or KL{K}_\text{L}, and its lifetime is not fixed? As far as I know, the particles are produced, e.g., as K0{K}^0 (a flavor eigenstate?), which can be written as a mixture of KS{K}_\text{S} and KL{K}_\text{L}. These two have different masses.
Correct. K0 and K0bar are the interaction states and KL and KS the mass eigenstates.

The point, as you suspect, is that flavour eigenstates are not propagation eigenstates. However, the created mass eigenstates are not created with definite energy or momentum, but rather as wave packets containing a range of momenta around the expectation value. It takes time for the wave packets of different mass eigenstates to separate and thus decohere. As long as coherence between mass eigenstates is maintained, the fact that different mass eigenstates pick up different phases will lead to oscillations. This is the same for kaons as well as neutrinos.

It would also be the case for quarks if not for the larger mass separation between quark mass eigenstates. The larger mass gap leads to faster decoherence, so fast that it makes more sense to consider the mass eigenstates only and have CC interactions violate flavour in the quark sector.
 
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OK, thanks for your answers. This clears a lot of things up for me.
mfb said:
Total energy has to equal its mass, but you have rest energy and kinetic energy.
The differences between the two particles are way too tiny to see them with precise measurements of other particles - just have a look at the K*(892) width, it is tens of MeV.
Rest and kinetic energy should be precisely constrained in the K* rest frame by four-momentum conservation, right? So it really comes down to the width of the K*, and the energy not being exactly defined?
mfb said:
Right.You can consider the mass eigenstates K1 and K2, both are their own antiparticles. They are close to the KL and KS (but not exactly -> CP violation).
Yes.
Orodruin said:
Correct. K0 and K0bar are the interaction states and KL and KS the mass eigenstates.

The point, as you suspect, is that flavour eigenstates are not propagation eigenstates.
OK, so the K1 and K2, as well as the KL and KS, are mass eigenstates?

I'm still not clear about the terms that are used, especially in superficial explanations of the CP-violation mechanism in some textbooks. I guess one has to do all the math do grasp the gritty details. I hope to get around to doing that at some point. For now, please help me to understand this:
  • When talk is of "strong eigenstates", are these identical to "flavor eigenstates"? Could these also be considered "strangeness eigenstates", "isospin eigenstates", and "color eigenstates"?
  • Are "weak eigenstates" in that sense identical to "CP eigenstates", even though the weak interaction violates CP-invariance?
  • Are "mass eigenstates" an additional concept? How does the term "propagation eigenstate", which you mentioned, fit into this?
Orodruin said:
However, the created mass eigenstates are not created with definite energy or momentum, but rather as wave packets containing a range of momenta around the expectation value. It takes time for the wave packets of different mass eigenstates to separate and thus decohere. As long as coherence between mass eigenstates is maintained, the fact that different mass eigenstates pick up different phases will lead to oscillations. This is the same for kaons as well as neutrinos.

It would also be the case for quarks if not for the larger mass separation between quark mass eigenstates. The larger mass gap leads to faster decoherence, so fast that it makes more sense to consider the mass eigenstates only and have CC interactions violate flavour in the quark sector.
Ah, that's very interesting. I've never heard the concept stated in this way, especially the last part about flavor change.

I have two more scenarios I'd like to discuss:
  1. Look at the decay of KL and KS into two or three muons. Suppose we could measure all decay products with arbitrary precision. The electrons, photons, and neutrinos should all have width zero, so suppose we could measure the invariant masses down to the kaon mass differences. For the Cronin-Fitch-scenario with a "pure KL beam", would I always measure the KL mass, even for its CP-violating decay into two pions?
  2. If I managed to collide two pion beams at the kaon resonance, would the weak interaction produce mainly KS that decay very quickly, with a few long-living KL from CP violation? Would that be considered the time-inverted process to the decay, and does T-symmetry violation come into play here?
 
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tg85 said:
Rest and kinetic energy should be precisely constrained in the K* rest frame by four-momentum conservation, right?
Constrained to what? To something that is not too far away from the K* mass: yes.

K0 and ##\bar{K^0}## are flavor eigenstates (they have a well-defined quark content), I guess "strong eigenstate" means the same. They are also eigenstates for all quark counting numbers (strangeness, isospin).
K1 and K2 are the CP eigenstates (they have well-defined CP state and decay mode)
KS and KL are the weak eigenstates and mass eigenstates (they have well-defined mass and lifetime in the weak interaction) <- sorry, got the mass part wrong in the previous post (now fixed)

All those particles are color neutral as we have hadrons.

tg85 said:
Look at the decay of KL and KS into two or three muons.
Pions, not muons. You would get different masses for KL and KS, independent of the number of pions in the decay.

tg85 said:
If I managed to collide two pion beams at the kaon resonance, would the weak interaction produce mainly KS that decay very quickly, with a few long-living KL from CP violation? Would that be considered the time-inverted process to the decay, and does T-symmetry violation come into play here?
Should work like that I think.
 
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mfb said:
K0 and ##\bar{K^0}## are flavor eigenstates (they have a well-defined quark content), I guess "strong eigenstate" means the same. They are also eigenstates for all quark counting numbers (strangeness, isospin).
K1 and K2 are the CP eigenstates (they have well-defined CP state and decay mode)
KS and KL are the weak eigenstates and mass eigenstates (they have well-defined mass and lifetime in the weak interaction) <- sorry, got the mass part wrong in the previous post (now fixed)
OK, that helped me a lot. Thank you!

mfb said:
Pions, not muons.
Of course, my bad.
 

1. What is neutral particle oscillation?

Neutral particle oscillation is a phenomenon in which a particle can change between its neutral state and a charged state. This means that the particle has the ability to switch between being electrically neutral and having a positive or negative charge.

2. How does neutral particle oscillation occur?

Neutral particle oscillation occurs when a neutral particle interacts with another particle or field. This interaction can cause the neutral particle to acquire a charge and thus oscillate between its neutral and charged states.

3. What is the significance of neutral particle oscillation?

Neutral particle oscillation is significant because it helps us understand the behavior of particles at the subatomic level. It also plays a crucial role in the study of energy conservation and the fundamental forces of nature.

4. How does neutral particle oscillation relate to energy conservation?

Neutral particle oscillation is closely related to energy conservation because the oscillation process involves the conversion of energy between the neutral state and the charged state of the particle. This helps to maintain the overall balance of energy in a system.

5. Can neutral particle oscillation be observed?

Yes, neutral particle oscillation can be observed through experiments involving high-energy particles and interactions with other particles or fields. Scientists use sophisticated detectors and instruments to detect and analyze these oscillations in order to better understand the behavior of particles and their energy conservation mechanisms.

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