Pendulum experiment systematic errors

In summary, the experiment on the simple pendulum involved measuring the effect of pendulum length on its period of motion. However, the results showed a higher line of best fit compared to the expected one, indicating possible systematic error. The percentage error decreased with increasing length, ranging from 73.8% for 5cm to 0.5460% for 30cm. The angle of oscillations was consistently 45 degrees and a ruler was used to measure the length, possibly leading to underestimation and longer periods. Further analysis and consideration of other factors such as the mass and moment of inertia may help explain the deviations.
  • #36
The formula haruspex used is correct for a solid cylinder. You can make it more precisely by using the formula for a hollow cylinder: replace ##R^2## by ##R_1^2 + R_2^2## with the outer and inner radius. It won't change the result much.
Wikipedia has a large collection of formulas.
 
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  • #37
Shyanne said:
according to this site (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/icyl.html), shouldn't the mass of interia of the bob be I= M((R^2/4)+(H^2/4))?
The second formula on that page is the one to use. It says M(R2/4+L2/12). That is the same as I quoted, but written a bit differently.
 
  • #38
mfb said:
You can make it more precisely by using the formula for a hollow cylinder:
Quite so. I assume that is to allow for the rod's shaft. I did mention I was ignoring the rod's radius, and that was one consequence. A refinement to the rod's moment would be another.
 
  • #39
haruspex said:
Quite so. I assume that is to allow for the rod's shaft. I did mention I was ignoring the rod's radius, and that was one consequence. A refinement to the rod's moment would be another.
Ah I see, I'll just include that as an error because I didn't measure that value as well.
I've plotted the results and they look MUCH better than the first time, however, the percentage errors do not follow a pattern like I had expected them to:
0.05: 2.145%
0.10: -0.483%
0.15: -1.749%
0.20: -2.236%
0.25: -2.569%
0.30: -2.371%

Does this merely indicate that any systematic error that occurred with measurements has affected the higher values to a greater degree? But then the 0.30m pendulum has a lower percentage error that 0.25.
 
  • #40
Shyanne said:
Ah I see, I'll just include that as an error because I didn't measure that value as well.
I've plotted the results and they look MUCH better than the first time, however, the percentage errors do not follow a pattern like I had expected them to:
0.05: 2.145%
0.10: -0.483%
0.15: -1.749%
0.20: -2.236%
0.25: -2.569%
0.30: -2.371%

Does this merely indicate that any systematic error that occurred with measurements has affected the higher values to a greater degree? But then the 0.30m pendulum has a lower percentage error that 0.25.
I assume you are quoting percentage errors in estimates of g.
The SHM approximation takes the restoring force as proportional to θ, whereas in reality it is proprtional to sin θ. So for the large angle you are using, the restoring force is overestimated. This will lead to an underestimate of g, probably by a constant factor. This could explain the errors at the longer pendulum lengths.
This suggests another source of error which tends to overestimate g more at the shorter lengths.
Of course, if you are quoting percentage errors in the expected periods, that all gets turned on its head.
 
  • #41
haruspex said:
I assume you are quoting percentage errors in estimates of g.
The SHM approximation takes the restoring force as proportional to θ, whereas in reality it is proprtional to sin θ. So for the large angle you are using, the restoring force is overestimated. This will lead to an underestimate of g, probably by a constant factor. This could explain the errors at the longer pendulum lengths.
This suggests another source of error which tends to overestimate g more at the shorter lengths.
Of course, if you are quoting percentage errors in the expected periods, that all gets turned on its head.
Unfortunately, I'm quoting percentage errors of the expected periods. :(
 
  • #42
If the angle was not the same in every repetition, this can easily explain a 1-2% difference. As discussed on page 1, a 45 degree angle (without an appropriate correction) leads to an 8% error on g. If the angle varies a bit between experiments, you get a difference that is some fraction of those 8%.
 

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