Piecewise function: differentiable but not continuously differentiable

In summary, the conversation discusses the function $f(x,y)$ defined by a piecewise function and the calculation of its partial derivatives. The person wants to calculate the partial derivatives at each point $(x,y)$ in $\mathbb{R}^2$ and asks if their approach is correct. The expert responds by stating that the calculation of the partial derivatives is correct, but it does not necessarily mean that the function is differentiable at the point $(0,0)$. They suggest checking the propositions for differentiability and provide an alternative approach to show that the function is differentiable at $(0,0)$. The expert also explains that the function is not continuously differentiable at $(0,0)$ and provides a proof for it.
  • #1
mathmari
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Hey! :giggle:

We have the function $$f(x,y)=\begin{cases}x^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )+y^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } xy\neq 0 \\ x^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right ) & \text{ if } x\neq 0, y=0 \\ y^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } x= 0, y\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } (x,y)=(0,0)\end{cases}$$

I want to calculate the partial derivatives $\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}$ and$\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}$ for each point $(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2$.

For that do we have the following?
$$\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}=\begin{cases}2x\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{x}\right ) & \text{ if } xy\neq 0 \\ 2x\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{x}\right ) & \text{ if } x\neq 0, y=0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } x= 0, y\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } (x,y)=(0,0)\end{cases}=\begin{cases}2x\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{x}\right ) & \text{ if } x\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } x= 0 \end{cases}$$
$$\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}=\begin{cases}2y\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } xy\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } x\neq 0, y=0 \\ 2y\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } x= 0, y\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } (x,y)=(0,0)\end{cases}=\begin{cases}2y\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } y\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } y= 0 \end{cases}$$
Is everything correct? Or can we not just differentiate each part of the piecewise function?

To show that $f$ is in $(0,0)$ differentiable but not continuously differentiable do we do the following?

Since we have found the partial derivatives at $(0,0)$ it follows that $f$ is differentiable in $(0,0)$.
Then we have to show that $f_x$ and $f_y$ are not continuous in $(0,0)$ which would mean that $f$ is not continuously differentiable in $(0,0)$.

Is that correct?

:unsure:
 
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  • #2
mathmari said:
Is everything correct? Or can we not just differentiate each part of the piecewise function?
Hey mathmari!

Looks good to me. (Nod)

mathmari said:
To show that $f$ is in $(0,0)$ differentiable but not continuously differentiable do we do the following?

Since we have found the partial derivatives at $(0,0)$ it follows that $f$ is differentiable in $(0,0)$.
I'm afraid that does not follow. (Shake)
Perhaps check the propositions with respect to partial derivatives and (total) differentiability? 🤔

mathmari said:
Then we have to show that $f_x$ and $f_y$ are not continuous in $(0,0)$ which would mean that $f$ is not continuously differentiable in $(0,0)$.
If we can show the first part, then the second part does indeed follow. 🤔
 
  • #3
To show that the function is diferentiable in (0,0) do we have to show that for all vectors $v=(v_x, v_y)^T$ it holds that $$\lim_{v\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(v_x, v_y)-f(0,0)-\langle \nabla f(0,0), (v_x, v_y)\rangle}{\|(v_x, v_y)\|} =0$$ and for the second part, that it is not continuous diferentiable do ee calculate the limit of the partial derivatives $$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}f_x(x,0) \text{ and } \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}f_y(0,y) $$ ? :unsure:
 
  • #4
mathmari said:
To show that the function is diferentiable in (0,0) do we have to show that for all vectors $v=(v_x, v_y)^T$ it holds that $$\lim_{v\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(v_x, v_y)-f(0,0)-\langle \nabla f(0,0), (v_x, v_y)\rangle}{\|(v_x, v_y)\|} =0$$

That is close to the definition, but let's check wiki:

A function $f$ of several real variables is said to be differentiable at a point $x_0$ if there exists a linear map $J$ such that
$$\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}({x_0}+{h}) - {f}({x_0}) - {J}{(h)}\|}{\| {h} \|} = 0.$$
The same section also lists a couple of propositions:
If a function is differentiable at $x_0$, then all of the partial derivatives exist at $x_0$, and the linear map $J$ is given by the Jacobian matrix.
If all the partial derivatives of a function exist in a neighborhood of a point $x_0$ and are continuous at the point $x_0$, then the function is differentiable at that point $x_0$.
However, the existence of the partial derivatives (or even of all the directional derivatives) does not in general guarantee that a function is differentiable at a point.
So we can use the definition and show that $J$ exists at (0,0). :unsure:

Or alternatively we can show that the partial derivatives exist in a neighborhood of (0,0) and are continuous at (0,0). 🤔

mathmari said:
and for the second part, that it is not continuous diferentiable do we calculate the limit of the partial derivatives $$\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}f_x(x,0) \text{ and } \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}f_y(0,y) $$ ?

Not quite. That is not even enough to show that $f$ is differentiable. (Shake)

Instead we can find the total derivative $Df$ of $f$ and prove that it is continuous.
That is $\lim\limits_{x\to 0} Df(x) = Df(0)$. 🤔
 
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  • #5
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Or alternatively we can show that the partial derivatives exist in a neighborhood of (0,0) and are continuous at (0,0). 🤔

For this way, do we do the following?

The set $\mathbb{R}^2\setminus \{(0,0)\}$ is open, so $f$ is continuously partially differentiable there.
Let $h \in \mathbb{R}\setminus \{0\}$ and $j \in \{1, 2\}$. Then we get \begin{equation*}\frac{f\left ((0,0)+he_j\right )-f(0,0)}{h}=\frac{f\left (he_j\right )-0}{h}=\frac{f\left (he_j\right )}{h}\end{equation*}
For $j=1$ :
\begin{equation*}\frac{f\left (he_1\right )}{h}=\frac{f\left (h(1,0)\right )}{h}=\frac{f(h,0)}{h}=\frac{h^2\sin \left (\frac{1}{h}\right )}{h}=h\sin \left (\frac{1}{h}\right )\rightarrow 0\end{equation*}
For $j=2$ :
\begin{equation*}\frac{f\left (he_2\right )}{h}=\frac{f\left (h(0,1)\right )}{h}=\frac{f(0,h)}{h}=\frac{h^2\sin \left (\frac{1}{h}\right )}{h}=h\sin \left (\frac{1}{h}\right )\rightarrow 0\end{equation*}
So $f$ is in $(0, 0)$ partially differentiable with \begin{equation*}\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}(0,0)=\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}(0,0)=0\end{equation*}
Since the partial derivatives exist in $(0,0)$ and they are continuous in that point it follows that the function is differentiable in the origin.

But $f_x$ is not continuous since $\frac{1}{n}\rightarrow 0$ but $f_x\left (\frac{1}{n}\right )=\frac{2}{n}\sin (n)-\cos (n)$ doesn't converge to $0$. So $f$ is not continuously differentiable.Is that correct? :unsure:
 
  • #6
mathmari said:
For this way, do we do the following?

The set $\mathbb{R}^2\setminus \{(0,0)\}$ is open, so $f$ is continuously partially differentiable there.

How does that follow from the fact that the particular restriction of the domain is open? :unsure:

We do have that the partial derivatives that you have calculated are well defined everywhere on that open set. 🤔

mathmari said:
...
So $f$ is in $(0, 0)$ partially differentiable with \begin{equation*}\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{x}}(0,0)=\frac{\partial{f}}{\partial{y}}(0,0)=0\end{equation*}

Yep. (Nod)

mathmari said:
Since the partial derivatives exist in $(0,0)$ and they are continuous in that point it follows that the function is differentiable in the origin.

How does that follow? :unsure:

We need to verify that the partial derivatives exist in a neighborhood of $(0,0)$. 🤔
And additionally that they are continuous in (0,0).
To verify continuity of $f_x$ in $0$, we need to verify that $\lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} f_x(x,y)=f_x(0,0)$. And the same for $f_y$. 🤔

mathmari said:
But $f_x$ is not continuous since $\frac{1}{n}\rightarrow 0$ but $f_x\left (\frac{1}{n}\right )=\frac{2}{n}\sin (n)-\cos (n)$ doesn't converge to $0$. So $f$ is not continuously differentiable.
Is that correct?
Yes. Moreover, $f$ is not differentiable at $0$ either. 🤔
 
  • #7
Klaas van Aarsen said:
We need to verify that the partial derivatives exist in a neighborhood of $(0,0)$. 🤔

How do we show that? :unsure:
 
  • #8
mathmari said:
How do we show that?

You have calculated the partial derivatives everywhere in $\mathbb R^2$, which is a neighborhood of (0,0).
They are well defined on that neighborhood.
Therefore the partial derivatives exist in a neighborhood of (0,0). 🧐
 
  • #9
Klaas van Aarsen said:
And additionally that they are continuous in (0,0).
To verify continuity of $f_x$ in $0$, we need to verify that $\lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} f_x(x,y)=f_x(0,0)$. And the same for $f_y$. 🤔

We have that $$\lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} f_x(x,y)=\lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} \left (2x\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )\right )$$ But according to Wolfram this limitis indeterminate ( Wolfram ), would that mean that it is not equal to $f_x(0,0)$ ? :unsure:
 
  • #10
mathmari said:
We have that $$\lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} f_x(x,y)=\lim\limits_{(x,y)\to 0} \left (2x\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )-\cos\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )\right )$$ But according to Wolfram this limitis indeterminate ( Wolfram ), would that mean that it is not equal to $f_x(0,0)$ ?
Indeed.
So $f_x$ is not continuous. 🤔
 
  • #11
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Indeed.
So $f_x$ is not continuous. 🤔

Ah since $f_x$ is not continuous, we get that $f$ is not continuously differentiable, right?

But how do we get that $f$ is differentiable? From post #5 we get that $f$ is partially differentiable in $(0,0)$. How do we get the differentiability?

:unsure:
 
  • #12
mathmari said:
Ah since $f_x$ is not continuous, we get that $f$ is not continuously differentiable, right?

But how do we get that $f$ is differentiable? From post #5 we get that $f$ is partially differentiable in $(0,0)$. How do we get the differentiability?
Indeed.
Suppose we go back to the definition of differentiability that I quoted in post #4. Can we use it to prove differentiability?
It means we have to do what you suggested in post #3. 🤔
 
  • #13
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Suppose we go back to the definition of differentiability that I quoted in post #4. Can we use it to prove differentiability? 🤔

Do you mean the definition with the map $J$ ? :unsure:
 
  • #14
mathmari said:
Do you mean the definition with the map $J$ ?
Yes.
And if it exists, we also know that $J$ is equal to the Jacobian matrix at (0,0), which is the same as $\nabla f(0,0)=( f_x(0,0), f_y(0,0) )$. 🤔
 
  • #15
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Yes.
And if it exists, we also know that $J$ is equal to the Jacobian matrix at (0,0), which is the same as $\nabla f(0,0)=( f_x(0,0), f_y(0,0) )$. 🤔

So do we have to check if $$\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}((0,0)+(h_1, h_2)) - {f}(0,0) - \nabla f(0,0)\|}{\| {h} \|} = 0$$ ? We have that \begin{align*}\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}(h_1, h_2) - 0 -( f_x(0,0), f_y(0,0) )\|}{\| {h} \|} &=\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}(h_1, h_2) -( 0, 0) \|}{\| {h} \|} =\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}(h_1, h_2) \|}{\| {h} \|}=\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|h_1^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_1}\right )+h_2^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_2}\right ) \|}{\| {h} \|} \\ & =\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{h_1^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_1}\right )+h_2^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_2}\right ) }{\sqrt{h_1^2+h_2^2}} \end{align*} Is that correct so far?:unsure:
 
  • #16
mathmari said:
So do we have to check if $$\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}((0,0)+(h_1, h_2)) - {f}(0,0) - \nabla f(0,0)\|}{\| {h} \|} = 0$$ ? We have that \begin{align*}\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}(h_1, h_2) - 0 -( f_x(0,0), f_y(0,0) )\|}{\| {h} \|} &=\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}(h_1, h_2) -( 0, 0) \|}{\| {h} \|} =\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}(h_1, h_2) \|}{\| {h} \|}=\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|h_1^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_1}\right )+h_2^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_2}\right ) \|}{\| {h} \|} \\ & =\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{h_1^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_1}\right )+h_2^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_2}\right ) }{\sqrt{h_1^2+h_2^2}} \end{align*} Is that correct so far?
It should be:
$$\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}((0,0)+(h_1, h_2)) - {f}(0,0) - \nabla f(0,0) \cdot (h_1, h_2)\|}{\| {h} \|} = 0$$
but otherwise it is correct since $\nabla f(0,0) = (0, 0)$. 🤔
 
  • #17
Klaas van Aarsen said:
It should be:
$$\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{\|{f}((0,0)+(h_1, h_2)) - {f}(0,0) - \nabla f(0,0) \cdot (h_1, h_2)\|}{\| {h} \|} = 0$$
but otherwise it is correct since $\nabla f(0,0) = (0, 0)$. 🤔

Ah yes (Tmi)

But how can we calculate the last limit? I got stuck right now. I thought maybe taking out of the root of the denominator the term $|h_1|$ but I am not sure if that helps. :unsure:
 
  • #18
mathmari said:
But how can we calculate the last limit? I got stuck right now. I thought maybe taking out of the root of the denominator the term $|h_1|$ but I am not sure if that helps. :unsure:
Suppose we switch to polar coordinates?
That is, we substitute $h_1=r\cos\phi$ and $h_2=r\sin\phi$.
Then we can let $r\to 0$. 🤔
 
  • #19
Oh, btw, we haven't substituted $f(h_1,h_2)$ correctly. :eek:
We can't assume that $h_1h_2\ne 0$. Instead we should consider the different cases. 🤔
 
  • #20
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Oh, btw, we haven't substituted $f(h_1,h_2)$ correctly. :eek:
We can't assume that $h_1h_2\ne 0$. Instead we should consider the different cases. 🤔

Ahh ok!

For the case $h_1h_2\neq 0$ we have then that:
\begin{align*}\lim_{{h}\to {0}} \frac{h_1^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_1}\right )+h_2^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{h_2}\right ) }{\sqrt{h_1^2+h_2^2}}&=\lim_{{r}\to {0}} \frac{r^2\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r^2\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right ) }{\sqrt{r^2\cos^2\phi+r^2\sin^2\phi}}\\ & =\lim_{{r}\to {0}} \frac{r^2\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r^2\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right ) }{\sqrt{r^2\left
(\cos^2\phi+\sin^2\phi\right )}} \\ & =\lim_{{r}\to {0}} \frac{r^2\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r^2\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right ) }{\sqrt{r^2}}
\\ & =\lim_{{r}\to {0}} \frac{r^2\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r^2\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right ) }{r}\\ & =\lim_{{r}\to {0}}\left (r\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right )\right ) \end{align*} How can we continue? :unsure:
 
  • #21
The cosines and sines are bounded between -1 and +1 aren't they? 🤔
 
  • #22
So we have
$$0 \le \lim_{{r}\to {0}}\left |r\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right )\right | \le \lim_{r\to 0} |2r| = 0\\
\implies \lim_{{r}\to {0}}\left (r\cos^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\cos \phi}\right )+r\sin^2\phi\sin\left (\frac{1}{r\sin \phi}\right )\right ) = 0
$$
🤔

Now let's take a step back and see if we can simplify.
We can write:
$$\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{\|f(h) - f(0,0) - \nabla f(0,0)\cdot h\|}{\|h\|} = \lim_{h\to 0} \frac{\|f(h) - 0 - (0,0)\cdot h\|}{\|h\|}
=\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{\|f(h)\|}{\|h\|}$$

and we have
\begin{align*}\|f(x,y)\| &=
\left\|\begin{cases}x^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )+y^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } xy\neq 0 \\ x^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right ) & \text{ if } x\neq 0, y=0 \\ y^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right ) & \text{ if } x= 0, y\neq 0 \\ 0 & \text{ if } (x,y)=(0,0)\end{cases}\right\| \\
&= \begin{cases}\left|x^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )+y^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right )\right| & \text{ if } xy\neq 0 \\
\left|x^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{x}\right )\right| & \text{ if } x\neq 0, y=0 \\
\left|y^2\sin\left (\frac{1}{y}\right )\right| & \text{ if } x= 0, y\neq 0 \\
\left|0\right| & \text{ if } (x,y)=(0,0)\end{cases} \\
&\le\begin{cases}x^2+y^2 & \text{ if } xy\neq 0 \\
x^2 & \text{ if } x\neq 0, y=0 \\
y^2 & \text{ if } x= 0, y\neq 0 \\
0 & \text{ if } (x,y)=(0,0)\end{cases}\\
&= x^2+y^2\end{align*}
🤔
 

1. What is a piecewise function?

A piecewise function is a mathematical function that is defined by different equations or expressions for different parts of its domain. This means that the function may have different rules for different intervals or subintervals of its input values.

2. Can a piecewise function be differentiable but not continuously differentiable?

Yes, a piecewise function can be differentiable but not continuously differentiable. This means that the function is differentiable at every point in its domain, but the derivative may not be continuous at certain points. This often occurs when the different equations or expressions used to define the function have different slopes at the points where they meet.

3. How can you determine if a piecewise function is differentiable?

A piecewise function is differentiable if each of its component functions is differentiable at the points where they meet. This can be determined by checking if the derivative of each component function exists at these points. If the derivative exists, then the piecewise function is differentiable at that point.

4. What is the difference between differentiability and continuity?

Differentiability and continuity are related concepts, but they are not the same. A function is continuous if there are no breaks or gaps in its graph, meaning that the function is defined at every point in its domain. On the other hand, a function is differentiable if it has a well-defined derivative at every point in its domain. This means that the function is smooth and has no sharp turns or corners.

5. Can a piecewise function be both differentiable and discontinuous?

Yes, a piecewise function can be both differentiable and discontinuous. This means that the function has a well-defined derivative at every point in its domain, but it is not continuous at certain points. This often occurs when the different equations or expressions used to define the function have different limits at the points where they meet.

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