Prove Fermi-Walker Transport of Gyroscope's Spin Vector w/No Applied Moment

In summary: The time-derivative of ##S^0## is assumed to be constant because it is the zero applied moment condition.
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With no applied moments, it is asked to prove that a gyroscope Fermi-Walker transports its spin vector ##S_{\alpha} = - \dfrac{1}{2} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} J^{\beta \gamma} u^{\delta}##. In a local inertial frame ##u^{\alpha} = (1, \mathbf{0}) = \delta^{\alpha}_0## and ##\dfrac{d\mathbf{S}}{dt} = 0## since a co-moving observer sees no precession of the spin axis. Put this condition in the form ##u \cdot \partial S^i = 0##. If one further assumes that the time derivative ##u \cdot \partial S^0## of the time component ##S^0## is a constant, say ##k##, then one can put ##u \cdot \partial S^{\alpha} = k \delta^{\alpha}_0 = ku^{\alpha}##, or\begin{align*}
u \cdot \partial S = ku
\end{align*}and then since ##S \cdot u = - \dfrac{1}{2} \epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} J^{\beta \gamma} u^{\delta} u^{\alpha} = 0##,\begin{align*}
0 = u \cdot \partial(S \cdot u) = -k + S \cdot a
\end{align*}and finally ##u \cdot \partial S = (S \cdot a)u##, which is the equation of Fermi-Walker transport (##a = u \cdot \partial u## is the four-acceleration of the gyroscope). What is the justification for putting the time derivative of ##S^0## to a constant? As a guess, it's the zero applied moment condition - but what is even the physical interpretation of the component ##S^0##?
 
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ergospherical said:
In a local inertial frame
I don't think you should need to assume any frame for this; Fermi-Walker transport can be defined in terms of tensor equations valid in any frame.

ergospherical said:
##u^{\alpha} = (1, \mathbf{0}) = \delta^{\alpha}_0## and ##\dfrac{d\mathbf{S}}{dt} = 0## since a co-moving observer sees no precession of the spin axis.
Here you are considering ##\mathbf{S}## to be a 3-vector; but in your original equation the spin ##S_\alpha## is a 4-vector (or covector, as you've written it). Try computing the 4-vector dot product ##u^\alpha S_\alpha##. What do you get?

ergospherical said:
what is even the physical interpretation of the component ##S^0##?
Try reconsidering this question after you have computed ##u^\alpha S_\alpha##.
 
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##S \cdot u = 0## since ##\epsilon_{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta}## is anti-symmetric in ##\alpha, \delta## whilst ##u^{\alpha} u^{\delta}## is symmetric in ##\alpha, \delta##, as in the OP. The local inertial frame is chosen only for convenience. Also, ##\mathbf{S}## is the spatial part of ##S^{\alpha} = (S^0, \mathbf{S})##.
 
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ergospherical said:
##S \cdot u = 0##
Yes, exactly.

ergospherical said:
The local inertial frame is chosen only for convenience.
You don't need to choose a frame at all.

ergospherical said:
##\mathbf{S}## is the spatial part of ##S^{\alpha} = (S^0, \mathbf{S})##.
Yes, I know that. But since you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, in any local inertial frame in which ##u = \left( 1, \mathbf{0} \right)##, what will ##S^0## be?

More importantly, now that you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, what does that imply about Fermi-Walker transport? (Hint: take the derivative of ##S \cdot u##.)
 
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PeterDonis said:
But since you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, in any local inertial frame in which ##u = \left( 1, \mathbf{0} \right)##, what will ##S^0## be?
This means that ##S^0 = 0## in the local inertial frame. It makes sense because in a general frame ##S \cdot u = -S^0 u^0 + \mathbf{S} \cdot \mathbf{u}## which implies that ##S^0 = \gamma^{-1} \mathbf{S} \cdot (\gamma \mathbf{v}) = \mathbf{S} \cdot \mathbf{v}##, and ##\mathbf{v} = \mathbf{0}## in a local inertial frame.

PeterDonis said:
More importantly, now that you have shown that ##S \cdot u = 0##, what does that imply about Fermi-Walker transport? (Hint: take the derivative of ##S \cdot u##.)
##u \cdot \partial (S \cdot u) = -k + S \cdot a##, where ##k## is the time derivative of ##S^0## evaluated at the instant the gyroscope is co-moving in this particular local inertial frame, so ##k = S \cdot a##.
 
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ergospherical said:
This means that ##S^0 = 0## in the local inertial frame.
Yes. Which removes the need to try to find a physical interpretation for it. :wink:

ergospherical said:
##u \cdot \partial (S \cdot u) = -k + S \cdot a##, where ##k## is the time derivative of ##S^0##
##k## must be zero because ##S^0## is zero. More generally, ##\partial(S \cdot u)## must be zero because ##S \cdot u## is zero. But expanding out ##\partial(S \cdot u)## and setting it equal to zero should give an equation that is relevant to Fermi-Walker transport of ##S##.
 
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PeterDonis said:
##k## must be zero because ##S^0## is zero... But expanding out ##\partial(S \cdot u)## and setting it equal to zero should give an equation that is relevant to Fermi-Walker transport of ##S##.
First part doesn't follow: e.g. if ##f(x_0) = 0##, then ##f'(x_0)## is not necessarily zero...
Likewise, ##S^0 = 0## does not imply ##k\equiv dS^0/dt = 0##.

It has been derived that ##k = S\cdot a \, (\neq 0)## and therefore ##u \cdot \partial S = (S \cdot a)u##, which is the condition for Fermi-Walker transport.

But I was wondering what was the motivation to assume that the time-derivative of ##S^0## is constant, in the first few lines of the solution.
 
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In fact, I wonder whether the book made a little linguistic slip. They wrote that ##k## is a constant of proportionality, but I reckon ##k## is not constrained to be constant. Rather it is some time-dependent factor ##S \cdot a##. Awkward misnomer, probably.
 
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ergospherical said:
##S^0 = 0## does not imply ##k\equiv dS^0/dt = 0##.
If we are talking about ##S^0## in a particular local inertial frame, yes, you're right. I misspoke.

If we look at ##S \cdot u##, we know that vanishes everywhere on the worldline, not just at a single point, so its derivative (along the worldline) must be zero. Looking again at your OP, though, it appears you are already taking that into account.
 
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ergospherical said:
the book
Which book?

ergospherical said:
##k## is not constrained to be constant. Rather it is some time-dependent factor ##S \cdot a##
Your OP shows that ##k = S \cdot a##, so the question is whether ##S \cdot a## can vary along the worldline, i.e., whether ##u \cdot \nabla \left( S \cdot a \right)## must vanish or not.
 
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It’s Lightman’s problem book on relativity, about 3 pages into chapter 11 on angular momentum (I can check exactly later).
 

1. What is Fermi-Walker transport?

Fermi-Walker transport is a mathematical technique used to describe the motion of a vector in a curved spacetime. It takes into account the curvature of the spacetime and the parallel transport of the vector along a specific path.

2. How does Fermi-Walker transport relate to gyroscopes?

Fermi-Walker transport is commonly used in the study of gyroscopes, as it can accurately describe the precession of a gyroscope's spin vector in a curved spacetime. It takes into account the effects of gravity and other forces on the gyroscope's motion.

3. What is the significance of proving Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector with no applied moment?

Proving Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector with no applied moment is significant because it demonstrates the validity of the mathematical model and confirms that the gyroscope's motion is solely due to the curvature of spacetime. This can have implications for our understanding of gravity and the structure of the universe.

4. How is Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector with no applied moment experimentally tested?

Experimental tests of Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector with no applied moment involve measuring the precession of the gyroscope's spin vector in a variety of curved spacetimes. This can be done using precision instruments such as laser gyroscopes or by observing the motion of natural gyroscopes in space.

5. What are the potential applications of understanding Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector with no applied moment?

Understanding Fermi-Walker transport of a gyroscope's spin vector with no applied moment can have applications in various fields, such as space navigation, gravitational wave detection, and testing the predictions of general relativity. It can also lead to advancements in our understanding of the fundamental forces of the universe.

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