Rewriting Feynman amplitudes and the Dirac equation

In summary, the conversation discusses the process of studying the photon polarization sum and getting stuck on certain equations. The equations in question are derived from the anticommutation relation and the Dirac equation, and they simplify the Feynman amplitude for the process. The first question is about getting a negative sign in one of the equations, and the second question is about how to obtain a specific equation using the anticommutation relation.
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I want to understand how to get the named equations below from Mandl & Shaw book.
I was studying the photon polarization sum process (second edition QFT Mandl & Shaw,https://ia800108.us.archive.org/32/items/FranzMandlGrahamShawQuantumFieldTheoryWiley2010/Franz%20Mandl%2C%20Graham%20Shaw-Quantum%20Field%20Theory-Wiley%20%282010%29.pdf) and got stuck in how to get certain equations.

We work in a gauge in which the polarization vectors of the external photons are of the form

$$\epsilon = (0, \vec \epsilon), \ \ \ \ \epsilon' = (0, \vec \epsilon') \tag 1$$

The 4 products ##\epsilon k## and ##\epsilon'k'## are

$$\epsilon k=-\vec \epsilon \cdot \vec k =0, \ \ \ \ \epsilon' k'=-\vec \epsilon' \cdot \vec k'=0 \tag 2$$

Let us work in the LAB frame.Then ##p=(m, 0, 0, 0)## Thus we have

$$p \epsilon = p \epsilon'=0 \tag 3$$

Given the anticommutation relation ##\{\gamma^{\alpha}, \gamma^{\beta}\}=2g^{\alpha \beta}## and the Dirac equation ##(\not{\!p}-m)u(\vec p)=0## we get

$$\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon}u=-m\not{\!\epsilon} u, \ \ \ \ \not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon'}\not{\!u}=-m\not{\!\epsilon'} u \tag 4$$

Given the Feynman Amplitude ##\mathscr{M}=\mathscr{M}_a+\mathscr{M}_b##, where

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon'} (\not{\!p}+\not{\!k}+m) \not{\!\epsilon} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} (\not{\!p}-\not{\!k'}+m) \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 5$$

##\mathscr{M}_a## and ##\mathscr{M}_b## simplify to

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 6$$

My questions are:

1) How to get Eqs ##(4)##

I almost get ##\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon}u=-m\not{\!\epsilon} u##; based on the Dirac equation we get ##\not{\!p}u(\vec p)=mu(\vec p)##, so we simply multiply by ##\not{\!\epsilon'}## (on the left side of the equation). However, note I do not get the negative sign.

How to get ##\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon'}\not{\!u}=-m\not{\!\epsilon'} u##? I guess we have to use ##\{\gamma^{\alpha}, \gamma^{\beta}\}=2g^{\alpha \beta}##, but how? I mean, all we can get out of the anticommutation relation is that ##\Big(\gamma^0\Big)^2=1## and ##\Big(\gamma^i\Big)^2=-1##, where ##i=1,2,3##.

2) How to get Eqs ##(6)##

Based on ##(1), (2)## and ##(3)## I get ##\not{\!\epsilon'} \not{\!p}=0, \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!p}=0, \not{\!\epsilon'} m=0, \not{\!\epsilon} m=0##. So I end up getting

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon'} \not{\!k} \not{\!\epsilon} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 7$$

Note I get the same ##\mathscr{M}_b## but not the same ##\mathscr{M}_a##. Is it a typo on the book or I am wrong?

Any help is appreciated.

PS: I asked thie question https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3703823/rewriting-feynman-amplitudes-and-the-dirac-equation but got not response.
 
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Summary:: I want to understand how to get the named equations below from Mandl & Shaw book.

I was studying the photon polarization sum process (second edition QFT Mandl & Shaw,https://ia800108.us.archive.org/32/items/FranzMandlGrahamShawQuantumFieldTheoryWiley2010/Franz%20Mandl%2C%20Graham%20Shaw-Quantum%20Field%20Theory-Wiley%20%282010%29.pdf) and got stuck in how to get certain equations.

We work in a gauge in which the polarization vectors of the external photons are of the form

$$\epsilon = (0, \vec \epsilon), \ \ \ \ \epsilon' = (0, \vec \epsilon') \tag 1$$

The 4 products ##\epsilon k## and ##\epsilon'k'## are

$$\epsilon k=-\vec \epsilon \cdot \vec k =0, \ \ \ \ \epsilon' k'=-\vec \epsilon' \cdot \vec k'=0 \tag 2$$

Let us work in the LAB frame.Then ##p=(m, 0, 0, 0)## Thus we have

$$p \epsilon = p \epsilon'=0 \tag 3$$

Given the anticommutation relation ##\{\gamma^{\alpha}, \gamma^{\beta}\}=2g^{\alpha \beta}## and the Dirac equation ##(\not{\!p}-m)u(\vec p)=0## we get

$$\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon}u=-m\not{\!\epsilon} u, \ \ \ \ \not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon'}\not{\!u}=-m\not{\!\epsilon'} u \tag 4$$

Given the Feynman Amplitude ##\mathscr{M}=\mathscr{M}_a+\mathscr{M}_b##, where

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon'} (\not{\!p}+\not{\!k}+m) \not{\!\epsilon} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} (\not{\!p}-\not{\!k'}+m) \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 5$$

##\mathscr{M}_a## and ##\mathscr{M}_b## simplify to

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 6$$

My questions are:

1) How to get Eqs ##(4)##

I almost get ##\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon}u=-m\not{\!\epsilon} u##; based on the Dirac equation we get ##\not{\!p}u(\vec p)=mu(\vec p)##, so we simply multiply by ##\not{\!\epsilon'}## (on the left side of the equation). However, note I do not get the negative sign.

How to get ##\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon'}\not{\!u}=-m\not{\!\epsilon'} u##? I guess we have to use ##\{\gamma^{\alpha}, \gamma^{\beta}\}=2g^{\alpha \beta}##, but how? I mean, all we can get out of the anticommutation relation is that ##\Big(\gamma^0\Big)^2=1## and ##\Big(\gamma^i\Big)^2=-1##, where ##i=1,2,3##.

Because of the anticommutation relation of the Dirac matrices, we have for arbitrary four vectors a and b,
##\not{\!a} \not{\!b} = -\not{\!b} \not{\!a} + 2 a \cdot b ##
I will get back to your other questions a bit later.
 
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JD_PM said:
Summary:: I want to understand how to get the named equations below from Mandl & Shaw book.

I was studying the photon polarization sum process (second edition QFT Mandl & Shaw,https://ia800108.us.archive.org/32/items/FranzMandlGrahamShawQuantumFieldTheoryWiley2010/Franz%20Mandl%2C%20Graham%20Shaw-Quantum%20Field%20Theory-Wiley%20%282010%29.pdf) and got stuck in how to get certain equations.

We work in a gauge in which the polarization vectors of the external photons are of the form

$$\epsilon = (0, \vec \epsilon), \ \ \ \ \epsilon' = (0, \vec \epsilon') \tag 1$$

The 4 products ##\epsilon k## and ##\epsilon'k'## are

$$\epsilon k=-\vec \epsilon \cdot \vec k =0, \ \ \ \ \epsilon' k'=-\vec \epsilon' \cdot \vec k'=0 \tag 2$$

Let us work in the LAB frame.Then ##p=(m, 0, 0, 0)## Thus we have

$$p \epsilon = p \epsilon'=0 \tag 3$$

Given the anticommutation relation ##\{\gamma^{\alpha}, \gamma^{\beta}\}=2g^{\alpha \beta}## and the Dirac equation ##(\not{\!p}-m)u(\vec p)=0## we get

$$\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon}u=-m\not{\!\epsilon} u, \ \ \ \ \not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon'}\not{\!u}=-m\not{\!\epsilon'} u \tag 4$$

Given the Feynman Amplitude ##\mathscr{M}=\mathscr{M}_a+\mathscr{M}_b##, where

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon'} (\not{\!p}+\not{\!k}+m) \not{\!\epsilon} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} (\not{\!p}-\not{\!k'}+m) \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 5$$

##\mathscr{M}_a## and ##\mathscr{M}_b## simplify to

$$\mathscr{M}_a = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk)}, \ \ \ \ \mathscr{M}_b = -i e^2 \frac{\bar u' \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!k'} \not{\!\epsilon'} u}{2(pk')} \tag 6$$

My questions are:

1) How to get Eqs ##(4)##

I almost get ##\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon}u=-m\not{\!\epsilon} u##; based on the Dirac equation we get ##\not{\!p}u(\vec p)=mu(\vec p)##, so we simply multiply by ##\not{\!\epsilon'}## (on the left side of the equation). However, note I do not get the negative sign.

How to get ##\not{\!p} \not{\!\epsilon'}\not{\!u}=-m\not{\!\epsilon'} u##? I guess we have to use ##\{\gamma^{\alpha}, \gamma^{\beta}\}=2g^{\alpha \beta}##, but how? I mean, all we can get out of the anticommutation relation is that ##\Big(\gamma^0\Big)^2=1## and ##\Big(\gamma^i\Big)^2=-1##, where ##i=1,2,3##.

2) How to get Eqs ##(6)##

Based on ##(1), (2)## and ##(3)## I get ##\not{\!\epsilon'} \not{\!p}=0, \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!p}=0, \not{\!\epsilon'} m=0, \not{\!\epsilon} m=0##. So I end up getting
These are not correct. For example, ##\not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!p} = - \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!p} +2 \epsilon \cdot p ## which reduces to ## - \not{\!\epsilon} \not{\!p} ## in your case. Using this to move around the ##\not{\!p}## so that it acts on the spinor, you should recover their result.
 
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