Rock climbing with forces along a "cam clamp" axle

In summary, the author is discussing a cam model and why forces do not seem to relate to each other in the way that they are expecting. He is unable to explain how the downward force Ff all on the axle of the cam is converted (through the cam’s rigidity) to an outward force Fr on the rock, which acts along the line from the axle of the cam to the point of contact with the rock. He is also unable to explain how the angles on the cam are related to cos Ff and N.
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Homework Statement
Why is the downward force Ff all on the axle of the cam is converted (through the cam’s rigidity) to an outward force Fr on the rock, which acts along the line from the axle of the cam to the point of contact with the rock and how are you able to relate cos Ff and N to those angles on the cam?
Relevant Equations
Ffall = 2Fr sinφ
N = Fr cosφ
https://www.asi.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Physics_ASOE2015solutions.pdf
Q`12b)
Unable to understand how they deduct the relation between Ffall and N via the angles.
Unable to tell why this would act along the axle of the cam to the point of contact with the rod and be relatable to each other via the angle?

The model that I have in my head is that the gravitational force equals to the frictional force and there is a normal force, and that the gravitational force and the normal force do not relate to each other like this.
 
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aspodkfpo said:
Why is the downward force Ff all on the axle of the cam is converted (through the cam’s rigidity) to an outward force Fr on the rock, which acts along the line from the axle of the cam to the point of contact with the rock and how are you able to relate cos Ff and N to those angles on the cam?
Can you attempt to draw the FBD for one lobe of the cam and post it?
 
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haruspex said:
Can you attempt to draw the FBD for one lobe of the cam and post it?
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Specifically I don't see why Fn + Fg would equal a force that just happens to be at phi angle to the vertical. (this image should be rotated 90 degrees for the actual model)
 

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aspodkfpo said:
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Specifically I don't see why Fn + Fg would equal a force that just happens to be at phi angle to the vertical. (this image should be rotated 90 degrees for the actual model)
##F_g## should act at the pivot, and there should be another force at the pivot from the other lobe.
##F_f## should act at the rock surface.
Your ##F_N## arrow wanders around a bit. It should be normal to the rock surface, not passing through the angle on the other side of the cam.
 
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haruspex said:
##F_g## should act at the pivot, and there should be another force at the pivot from the other lobe.
##F_f## should act at the rock surface.
Your ##F_N## arrow wanders around a bit. It should be normal to the rock surface, not passing through the angle on the other side of the cam.
Statement 1 and 2, we're taught to draw fbd from the centre of mass in schools now LOL.
Statement 3 and 4, can't draw something without the wobbles with a mouse, it's meant to be normal.
Still don't see why Fn + Fg would equal a force that just happens to be at phi angle to the vertical.
 
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aspodkfpo said:
we're taught to draw fbd from the centre of mass in schools now
Then how do you figure out torque balance?
aspodkfpo said:
don't see why Fn + Fg would equal a force that just happens to be at phi angle to the vertical.
Because if not then torques would not balance and the cam would rotate.
 
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1. What is a "cam clamp" axle in rock climbing?

A "cam clamp" axle is a type of climbing equipment that is used to create a secure anchor point for the climber. It consists of a metal axle with a series of cam lobes attached to it, which can be expanded or contracted to fit into cracks or crevices in the rock face.

2. How does the cam clamp axle work?

The cam lobes on the axle are designed to grip onto the rock when the axle is pulled in a certain direction. As the climber's weight is applied to the axle, the cam lobes will expand and create a secure hold on the rock, allowing the climber to move up the wall.

3. What are the forces involved in using a cam clamp axle?

The main forces involved in using a cam clamp axle are tension and compression. Tension is created when the climber's weight pulls down on the axle, while compression is created when the cam lobes push against the rock to create a secure hold.

4. Are there any risks associated with using a cam clamp axle?

As with any climbing equipment, there are always risks involved. One potential risk with using a cam clamp axle is that the cam lobes may slip or fail to grip onto the rock, causing the climber to fall. It is important to always inspect and properly use the equipment to minimize these risks.

5. What are some tips for using a cam clamp axle effectively?

To use a cam clamp axle effectively, it is important to properly place the cam lobes in a secure crack or crevice in the rock. It is also important to regularly check the cam lobes for any signs of wear or damage. Additionally, using proper climbing techniques and having a backup anchor point can help ensure safety while using a cam clamp axle.

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