Searching Ether Frame: Introduction to Special Relativity

In summary: Then, this idea was very quickly finalized by Minkowski's mathematical analysis in terms of a pseudo-Euclidean affine four-dimensional manifold.
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From the book - Introduction to special relativity, Robert Resnick, I learned that
it was assumed at that time that speed of light is c in ether frame.
And so, there was a need to find out ether frame.
I am assuming that ether frame is an inertial frame .
Speed of light in vacuum could have been measured from different inertial frames and it could have been known that Galilean transformation doesn't work in this case.
This itself will lead to the search of another transformation.
Now, even if we get the ether frame , what we will know is speed of light in ether frame as well as in all other inertial frames is c, which is not a new information.
So, was the ether frame being searched for the purpose of getting an absolute frame?
Or, was ether being searched for the purpose of getting a medium in which speed of light is c?
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Pushoam said:
Speed of light in vacuum could have been measured from different inertial frames and it could have been known that Galilean transformation doesn't work in this case.
That was not known at the time. The experiments had to be performed to demonstrate this.
 
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That was not known at the time. The experiments had to be performed to demonstrate this.
So, at that time it was thought that speed of light in vacuum would be different for different initial frames (according to Galilean relativity ) and there exists one inertial frame in which speed of light is c ; so , there was a need to search for this inertial system known as ether system.
Then , they had no idea that speed of light could be same in all initial frames and so they couldn't think of doing an experiment to verify this idea.
Is this correct?
Then , how did Einstein get this idea?
 
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Pushoam said:
So, at that time it was thought that speed of light in vacuum would be different for different initial frames (according to Galilean relativity ) and there exists one inertial frame in which speed of light is c ; so , there was a need to search for this inertial system known as ether system.
Then , they had no idea that speed of light could be same in all initial frames and so they couldn't think of doing an experiment to verify this idea.
Is this correct?
Then , how did Einstein get this idea?
I think maybe you have it backwards? It was believed that the aether frame existed, but the experiment showed that it didn't (at least in the way believed).

Historically, I'm not sure if Einstein knew about the unsuccessful experiment, but there are other ways he could have thought the aether was unnecessary, such as the implication that Maxwell's equations should be frame dependent if there was an aether.
 
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O.k. thank you.
 
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Pushoam said:
Then , how did Einstein get this idea?
It's, most probably, a legend that Einstein came to his famous "Electrodynamics of moving bodies" paper (1905) due to the Michelson-Morley negative result to observe the "ether wind".

It was the lack of symmetry in the point of view on Maxwell's electrodynamics, which was not observed in nature, that brought him to the idea to have to adapt the space-time description to make the Maxwell equations symmetric against "boosts" (i.e., the change from one inertial frame to another moving against it with constant velocity). If the Maxwell equations are forminvariant, then the speed of light in vacuo must stay the same in all frames (that's evident in Gaussian units immediately, as was common sense in Einstein's time; the pest of the SI in theoretical electrodynamics textbooks is a rather new phenomenon). This point of view brought him to give a foundation of relativistic space-time, which formally was known at least 20 years earlier, when Voigt has come up with something very close to what's called Lorentz transformations nowadays, but at this time has been interpreted only as a mathematical trick rather than establishing a new description of the entire space-time structure. Then this idea was very quickly finalized by Minkowski's mathematical analysis in terms of a pseudo-Euclidean affine four-dimensional manifold.

However, only 10 years later, in 2015, Einstein again modified the description of the space-time manifold in including gravity into the relativistic point of view, leading finally to the General Relativity Theory, which is the best space-time description known today.
 
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O.k. So, the idea that speed of light in vacuum is same in all reference frames comes from the fact that Maxwell equations should remain covariant in all inertial reference frames.
 
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1. What is the concept of the 'ether frame' in special relativity?

The ether frame was a proposed medium through which light waves traveled, according to the classical theories of motion and electromagnetism. Special relativity, however, postulates that the speed of light is constant in all inertial (non-accelerating) frames of reference, rendering the concept of the ether frame unnecessary.

2. How is the speed of light related to special relativity?

The speed of light, denoted by the symbol 'c', is a fundamental constant in special relativity. It is the same in all inertial frames of reference, regardless of the speed or direction of the observer. This principle, known as the constancy of the speed of light, is the cornerstone of special relativity.

3. What is the significance of the 'Lorentz factor' in special relativity?

The Lorentz factor, denoted by the symbol 'γ', is a mathematical term used in special relativity to describe the effects of time dilation and length contraction. It is a function of an object's speed relative to an observer and becomes infinite as an object approaches the speed of light. This factor is crucial in understanding the behavior of objects moving at high speeds.

4. Can special relativity be applied to objects with mass?

Yes, special relativity applies to all objects, including those with mass. In fact, the theory was developed to reconcile the observed discrepancies in the behavior of light and massive objects at high speeds. The famous equation, E=mc², is a direct result of special relativity and shows the equivalence of mass and energy.

5. How does special relativity impact our understanding of time and space?

Special relativity has revolutionized our understanding of time and space by introducing concepts such as time dilation, length contraction, and the relativity of simultaneity. These phenomena challenge our classical notions of time and space and have been confirmed through numerous experiments and observations. Special relativity has also paved the way for the development of other theories, such as general relativity, which further expand our understanding of the universe.

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