Second type perpetual motion machine is existent .

In summary, the conversation discusses the existence of a second type perpetual motion machine and a hypothetical experiment involving a round glass containing mercury. The person proposing the machine believes that the system can produce more energy than it consumes, but this goes against the current understanding of thermodynamics. The conversation is ultimately locked due to conflicting opinions.
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second type perpetual motion machine is existent .
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Let us assume that a system make a circulate of thermodynamics ,if we can approve that entropy will not equal to 0 , so the second law of thermodynamics is wrong ,and the second type perpetual motion machine is existent .

The entropy will be changed as the change of temperature of liquid
We assume a experiment : a round glass contain with mercury ,there is a glass tube inserted in the top of glass contain erect .
1. first we assume that the temperature of the system is 20℃
2. the temperature of system move up to 30℃,so mercury entry glass tube ,then the gravitational potential energy of mercury will be increased .these energy is come from outside ,so the system will get more heat quantity .
3. then we turn the glass contain to set glass tube level, so the gravitational potential energy will send out energy .
4. then we let the temperature down to 20℃,whole mercury will back contain ,the system will send out heat quantity Q2 ,but Q2 <Q1 ,if we compare the step with the second step.
5. turn the contain to erect glass tube .
since the potential energy before and after experiment is equal .
DS=dQ1/T-dQ2/T
we can know DS is not equal 0 .
So the entropy and the second lay of thermodynamics are not right
 
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Your English is pretty poor, but it looks like you are saying that you get more energy back from a system than you put into it. Sorry, but you won't. It looks like your error is in step 4: when the temperature drops from 30 to 20F, you don't get any potential energy back because the system is already horizontal and you've already recovered the PE.
 
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What is a second type perpetual motion machine?

A second type perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical device that is able to operate indefinitely without any external energy input. It is often considered impossible as it violates the laws of thermodynamics.

Do second type perpetual motion machines actually exist?

No, there is currently no evidence of a second type perpetual motion machine being created or existing. The concept is considered to be a theoretical impossibility.

What is the difference between a first and second type perpetual motion machine?

A first type perpetual motion machine is one that can operate without any energy input, but it violates the first law of thermodynamics and is considered impossible. A second type perpetual motion machine goes even further by also violating the second law of thermodynamics, making it even more implausible.

Why do some people believe in the possibility of a second type perpetual motion machine?

Some people believe in the possibility of a second type perpetual motion machine due to a lack of understanding of the laws of thermodynamics and a desire for unlimited energy. However, numerous scientific studies and experiments have shown that it is not possible.

What are the implications of a second type perpetual motion machine if it were to exist?

If a second type perpetual motion machine were to exist, it would completely change our understanding of physics and thermodynamics. It would also have a significant impact on energy production and consumption, potentially leading to a revolution in technology and energy sources.

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