Solve Catenary Problem: Minimize Potential Energy

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In summary: The problem is to minimize that integral under the constraints of the geometry of the problem.In summary, the objective of this problem is to determine the shape of a rope hanging under the influence of gravity, with a fixed length and total mass. The shape is parametrised by y(x) or x(y), with x denoting the horizontal coordinate and y the vertical one. The goal is to find the shape that minimises the potential energy of the rope, given by eq(1) in the problem statement. The constraint is the fixed length of the rope. This problem is well-known and can be solved by minimizing the integral for potential energy under the given constraint.
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Homework Statement



Suppose we have a rope of length L and total mass M. Suppose we x its ends at points
(xA; yA) and (xB; yB). We want to determine the shape the rope makes, hanging under the
influence of gravity. The rope is motionless, with a shape parametrised by y(x) or equivalently,
x(y), where x denotes the horizontal coordinate and y the vertical one. We are looking for the
shape which minimises the potential energy of the rope.Image below
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Homework Equations



I'm guessing

ds = sqrt ( dx^2 + dy^2) can be used.

The Attempt at a Solution


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Integrate ds over s, and thus it is...

integral ds = S [ from Yb to Ya]

Xb and Xa would be zero as the horizontal length does not change.

As you can see...I'm a bit confused. I don't know how to parametise dx and dy, or can I just use a polar coordinate system?
 
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BubblesAreUs said:
Integrate ds over s, and thus it is...
This just gives you the length of the rope, which you know and should impose as a constraint. You need to find an integral that describes the potential energy and minimize it under that constraint.
 
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The integral for the potential energy was given as eq(1) of the problem statement. All that is necessary is to minimize that. This is a well known problem, written up in countless places in the literature.

Your guess,

BubblesAreUs said:
ds = sqrt ( dx^2 + dy^2)

was already incorporated in writing eq(1).
 

1. What is a catenary problem?

A catenary problem is a mathematical problem that involves determining the shape of a hanging curve or chain under the influence of gravity. It is named after the Latin word "catena", meaning chain, and is often used in engineering and physics to study the behavior of hanging cables and chains.

2. How is potential energy related to the catenary problem?

In the catenary problem, potential energy is used to represent the amount of work needed to move an object from one point to another in a gravitational field. The catenary curve is the shape that minimizes this potential energy, making it the most stable and efficient shape for hanging chains or cables.

3. What is the goal of solving the catenary problem?

The goal of solving the catenary problem is to find the minimum potential energy of a hanging curve or chain. This is important for engineering and design purposes, as it allows for the creation of stable and efficient structures such as suspension bridges and power lines.

4. What factors affect the solution to the catenary problem?

The solution to the catenary problem is affected by several factors, including the weight and length of the hanging curve or chain, the material it is made of, and the distance between its endpoints. These factors can influence the shape of the catenary curve and the amount of potential energy it minimizes.

5. How is the catenary problem solved?

The catenary problem can be solved using mathematical equations and principles, such as the calculus of variations. By setting up the appropriate equations and constraints, the shape of the catenary curve can be determined and the potential energy can be minimized. This solution can then be used to inform the design and construction of various structures.

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