Sound & Music - Ptolemy Reduced Frequency

In summary, the conversation is about a homework assignment where the student was instructed to make a monochord and find and mark specific notes by multiplying the starting length with length ratios. The student then used an application to measure the sound frequency and calculated the frequency ratio by dividing the frequency by the inverse of the length ratios. However, when dividing the measured frequencies, there was no clear pattern and the frequencies did not match the expected values. The student suspects that the length of the vibrating string may be longer than measured.
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Torrie
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Homework Statement


This is a homely. We were instructed to make a monochord and find and mark C5, G4, F4, E4, D4 & C4 by multiplying our starting length with the length rations (C5 = 1/2, G4 = 2/3, F4 = 3/4, E4 = 4/5, D4 = 8/9, C4 = 1)
Then we used "Ravenlite" the application to measure the sound frequency after holding the string at the note, and dampening the opposite side. From there, we needed to divide the frequency by the Frequency Ratio, which were the inverse of the length ratios. Then we were asked to plot the ratios.

Homework Equations


We were supposed to tune C4 to 300 Hz. Done.

The Attempt at a Solution


I have measured the frequency of each note.
(C4= 300Hz, D4 = 317, E4 = 348, F4 = 390, G4 = 419, C5 = 531)
But when I divide those measured frequency there seems to be no pattern at all with the frequencies. And I can hear that the the frequency gets higher, as the string gets shorter, but the reduced frequency doesn't come off that way.
(c4 = 300 Hz, D4 = 281.78, E4 = 278.4, F4 = 292.5, G4 = 279.3, C5 = 265.5)

Am I on the right track? Or doing something wrong??
 
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Torrie said:
c4 = 300 Hz, D4 = 281.78, E4 = 278.4, F4 = 292.5, G4 = 279.3, C5 = 265.5)
It looks like the length of vibrating string is a bit longer than you think. E.g. if you measured it as L, but it's really L+x, then when you halve it to go up an octave you get a length of L/2+x instead of L/2+x/2. If that is the right explanation then x is approximately L/6.
 

1. What is Ptolemy Reduced Frequency?

Ptolemy Reduced Frequency, also known as Ptolemy's Scale, is a mathematical concept developed by the ancient Greek astronomer and mathematician, Ptolemy. It is used to calculate the frequency ratios between musical notes and is based on the idea that the human ear perceives pitch in a logarithmic manner.

2. How is Ptolemy Reduced Frequency used in music?

Ptolemy Reduced Frequency is used as a basis for tuning musical instruments. It helps musicians create harmonic intervals by using simple ratios, such as 2:1 for an octave, 3:2 for a perfect fifth, and 4:3 for a perfect fourth. This system has been used for centuries and is still used in modern music theory.

3. How does Ptolemy Reduced Frequency differ from other tuning systems?

Ptolemy Reduced Frequency differs from other tuning systems, such as Equal Temperament, in that it uses natural intervals based on simple ratios. Equal Temperament divides the octave into 12 equal semitones, which makes it easier to play in different keys but sacrifices the purity of intervals. Ptolemy Reduced Frequency, on the other hand, prioritizes the purity of intervals at the expense of playing in all keys.

4. What are the benefits of using Ptolemy Reduced Frequency in music?

Using Ptolemy Reduced Frequency in music can result in more harmonious and pleasing intervals. It also allows for a more natural and organic sound, as it is based on the natural ratios found in the harmonic series. Additionally, it can improve the overall listening experience by creating a sense of balance and coherence in the music.

5. Is Ptolemy Reduced Frequency still relevant in modern music?

While Equal Temperament has become the standard tuning system in modern music, Ptolemy Reduced Frequency is still relevant and widely used in certain genres, such as early music, traditional folk music, and some forms of world music. It also continues to be studied and appreciated by musicians and music theorists for its unique qualities and historical significance.

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