Spaghettification: Geometrical & Mathematical Description

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of spaghettification and the various mathematical approaches and resources available to understand it in detail. The term is not a general one for any effect of tidal gravity, but rather describes the specific phenomenon that occurs when tidal gravity increases without bound and can lead to chaotic oscillations. The discussion also mentions Kip Thorne's book "Black Holes and Time Warps" as a potential resource, and notes that the mathematics involved may be complex, but possibly less so than that of a black hole.
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Looking for geometrical description / mathematical approach to describe Spaghettification to a given body
Looking for geometrical description / mathematical approach to describe Spaghettification to a given body.
Is there a specific paper (maybe computer simulations) that can serve me to understand in detail the phenomena?
 
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There's a detailed treatment in MTW, for the Schwarzschld metric. But you'll need some familiarity with the Riemann tensor and its interpretation. to follow it It's an A-level approach (graduate level), I supect it's too high but don't see a level on this thread or have any insight.

The interior metric of an actual black hole will be differen than Schwarzschild.. Kip Thorne has a description of what he thinks will happen in one of his books, "Black holes and timewarps".
 
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Does it need to be a singularity like a black hole? Saturn's rings are the result of spaghettification of some moon that dropped its orbit within the Roche limit. Of course I can't help you find a simulation of the formation of those rings. The mathematics involved is still quite complex, but probably less so than that of a black hole.
 
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Note, for a small BH, spaghetificaction happens well outside the event horizon, while for a supermassive BH it happens only well inside the horizon.
 
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Halc said:
Saturn's rings are the result of spaghettification of some moon that dropped its orbit within the Roche limit.

Not really. "Spaghettification" is not just a general term for "any effect of tidal gravity". It's a more specific term that describes what happens when tidal gravity increases without bound as some limit, such as the singularity inside a black hole, is approached.

Some authors use "spaghettification" in an even more specific sense, to mean, not just tidal gravity increasing without bound, but increasingly chaotic oscillations of tidal gravity, of the sort that occur in a BKL singularity.
 
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1. What is spaghettification?

Spaghettification is a phenomenon that occurs when an object, such as a star or a black hole, experiences extreme gravitational forces that cause it to stretch and elongate in a way that resembles strands of spaghetti.

2. How does spaghettification happen?

Spaghettification occurs when an object enters the intense gravitational field of a much larger and more massive object, such as a black hole. The gravitational pull of the larger object is so strong that it overcomes the object's internal forces, causing it to stretch and elongate.

3. What is the mathematical description of spaghettification?

The mathematical description of spaghettification involves the use of Einstein's theory of general relativity, which describes how gravity affects the fabric of space and time. This theory predicts that as an object approaches a black hole, the gravitational force becomes infinitely strong, causing the object to be stretched and distorted.

4. Can spaghettification happen to humans?

While spaghettification is a theoretical phenomenon, it is not likely to happen to humans. The gravitational forces required for spaghettification to occur are only found near massive objects like black holes, and it is unlikely that a human would ever get close enough to experience these forces.

5. Is spaghettification reversible?

No, spaghettification is not reversible. Once an object has been stretched and distorted by the intense gravitational forces, it cannot return to its original shape. This is due to the fact that the object's internal forces are no longer strong enough to overcome the gravitational pull.

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