The Fine Structure of Hydrogen

In summary, the conversation revolved around the discussion of possible and allowed transitions between energy levels in the context of fine structure. The question asked for a sketch of the possible transitions between n=3 and n=2 levels, as well as the number of observed transitions when considering selection rules. The group clarified that there are 7 allowed transitions, but some of them have the same energy difference and should be counted as one when answering how many transitions are observed.
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samjohnny
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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



Hi all,

For part a) I simply discussed the fact that the contributions to the fine structure arise from the Darwin term, relativistic corrections to the kinetic energy, and the spin-orbital coupling with a bit of detail.

As for part b) I'm not entirely sure on how to proceed with it. Is it essentially asking that a diagram be sketched similar to the following:

Energy states with corrections.JPG


The only difference really being that the states are to be labelled as ##^{2s+1}L_j##.

In which case for part c) we find that there are 6 possible transitions from n=3 to n=2.
 
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samjohnny said:
In which case for part c) we find that there are 6 possible transitions from n=3 to n=2.
Do you expect to see all those 6 transitions, if you consider the selection rules?
 
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samjohnny said:
As for part b) I'm not entirely sure on how to proceed with it. Is it essentially asking that a diagram be sketched similar to the following:
Yes, that's right.
In part c) the question first asks about the possible transitions between n=3 and n=2, therefore every possible transition must be identified. Then the question also asks about how many transitions will be observed experimentally, for this you should consider that some transitions between different pair of levels coincide in frequency.
 
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Thanks for the replies.

Just to clarify one point; in considering how many possible, and how many allowed, transitions there are, are we to consider transitions as being between each degenerate state, even if they are in the same energy level?

For example, consider the ##3D_{5/2}## state, are there two possible transitions (to the ##[2P_{3/2}]## and the ##[2S_{1/2}, 2P_{1/2}]## levels), or three possible transitions (to the ##[2P_{3/2}]##, the ##[2S_{1/2}] ## and the ##[2P_{1/2}]## states where we consider the latter two states separately despite their degeneracy)?
 
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Is your considering the transition from ##3D_{5/2}## to ##2S_{1/2}## only an example or indeed one of your answers? This transition obviously violates selection rule for ##L##. Realizing this, is it possible that you list all possible transitions in your answer? I think there should be 7 possible transitions in the problem; between n=3 and n=2, you can list 15 pairs of level but only 7 of them are allowed.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
Is your considering the transition from ##3D_{5/2}## to ##2S_{1/2}## only an example or indeed one of your answers? This transition obviously violates selection rule for ##L##. Realizing this, is it possible that you list all possible transitions in your answer? I think there should be 7 possible transitions in the problem; between n=3 and n=2, you can list 15 pairs of level but only 7 of them are allowed.

Ah I think I've got it.

Essentially I'm trying to figure out what counts as a transition without applying selection rules. Is a transition between energy levels, or between states in the n=3 and n=2 bands.

If the latter, then there would be 15 ways in which one could go from n=3 to n=2 (disregarding selection rules). And then to get the number of transitions that would be observed, we'd have to apply the selection rules, in which case I also count 7 ways, which is reassuring.
 
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Seems that it's cleared up now. Anyway, there are 7 allowed transitions but some of them have the same energy difference, such transitions should be counted once when answering how many transition observed, because they will coincide in your spectrometer.
 
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Ah yes indeed. Thanks a lot.
 

What is the fine structure of hydrogen?

The fine structure of hydrogen refers to the splitting of spectral lines in the emission spectrum of hydrogen due to the spin and orbital angular momentum of the electron.

Why is the fine structure of hydrogen important?

Understanding the fine structure of hydrogen is important for accurately predicting and interpreting the behavior of atoms and molecules. It also provides insight into the fundamental physical laws governing the universe.

What causes the fine structure of hydrogen?

The fine structure of hydrogen is caused by the interactions between the electron's magnetic moment and its orbital angular momentum, known as spin-orbit coupling.

How is the fine structure of hydrogen measured?

The fine structure of hydrogen can be measured through spectroscopy, which involves studying the wavelengths of light emitted by hydrogen atoms. This allows scientists to observe the splitting of spectral lines and determine the magnitude of the fine structure constant.

What is the significance of the fine structure constant?

The fine structure constant, also known as alpha, is a fundamental constant in physics that determines the strength of the electromagnetic interaction between charged particles. Its precise value is crucial for understanding the behavior of atoms and molecules, as well as the structure and evolution of the universe.

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