Thermodynamic Evidence for Water as a Quantum Mechanical Liquid

In summary, the conversation discusses theoretical models of water and the nature of hydrogen nuclei motion. It is deduced that the motion of hydrogen nuclei is quantum mechanical in nature, as evidenced by experimental data and agreement with recent analysis. There is also a mention of the spin and wave nature of protons and neutrons, and the use of classical and de Broglie's theories in understanding their behavior.
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http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.4090"

We consider general theoretical models of water and in particular the nature of the motions of the hydrogen nuclei. If the motion of hydrogen nuclei is classical, then the thermodynamic pressure equation of state for heavy water wherein the hydrogen nuclei are deuterons is identical to the pressure equation of state for light water wherein the hydrogen nuclei are protons. Since the experimental thermodynamic phase diagram for light water is clearly measurably different from the experimental thermodynamic phase diagram for heavy water, one may deduce that the motions of hydrogen nuclei are quantum mechanical in nature. This conclusion is in physical agreement with a recent analysis of X-ray, neutron and deep inelastic neutron scattering data.
 
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Count Iblis said:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.4090"

Cool, but not particularly surprising. The Feynman path integral descriptions of light and heavy water at finite temperatures are certainly quite different, and one can calculate thermodynamic state functions from simulations of FPI's in imaginary time (PIMD). Neat to see it worked out analytically though.
 
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Sorry. I have not yet read this paper completely.

I have one question. The classical proton in this paper does not have "spin" ?
The proton and the neutron has the magnetic moment.
And the 4 pi rotation experiment of the spinning neutron shows the wave nature of the neutron spin.

The proton and the neutron are much heavier than the electron.
So, If the spin angular momentum is as big as about hbar, the spinning speed probably doesn't become faster than the speed of light. (if the spin of the proton is a real rotation.) (The Story of Spin)
The spin angular momentum is the constant. So if the radius of the (spin) rotation changes, the velocity of the proton changes?
Probably no one deny the wave nature of the proton and neutron, I think.
"Classical" in this paper means we use only the Maxwell's law, and don't use the de Broglie's theory?
But we should consider the de Broglie's theory, too?

So the classical proton in this paper doesn't contain the intrinsic movement such as "spin", does it?
 
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Related to Thermodynamic Evidence for Water as a Quantum Mechanical Liquid

1. What is thermodynamic evidence for water as a quantum mechanical liquid?

Thermodynamic evidence for water as a quantum mechanical liquid refers to experimental observations and calculations that support the idea that water behaves as a quantum mechanical system. This means that the behavior of water molecules and their interactions are best described by the laws of quantum mechanics rather than classical mechanics.

2. What makes water a quantum mechanical liquid?

Water is a quantum mechanical liquid because its molecules are relatively small and highly polar, which allows them to interact with each other through strong hydrogen bonds. These interactions are inherently quantum mechanical in nature and cannot be fully described by classical physics.

3. How does quantum mechanics affect the properties of water?

The quantum mechanical nature of water has a significant impact on its properties. One of the most notable effects is the unusual behavior of water at low temperatures, where it becomes less dense as it freezes. This is due to the formation of hydrogen bonds, which are influenced by quantum mechanical effects.

4. What experimental evidence supports the idea of water as a quantum mechanical liquid?

Several experimental techniques, such as neutron scattering and nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy, have provided evidence for the quantum mechanical behavior of water. These experiments have shown that water molecules exhibit quantum effects, such as tunneling and delocalization, that are not observed in classical liquids.

5. How does understanding water as a quantum mechanical liquid impact other fields of science?

The recognition of water as a quantum mechanical liquid has implications for various fields of science, such as biology, chemistry, and geology. It can help explain the unique properties of water and its role in many natural processes, such as protein folding and mineral formation. Understanding water at the quantum level can also aid in the development of new technologies, such as more efficient fuel cells and improved drug delivery systems.

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