Thermodynamics: Enthelpy vs. Gibbs Free Energy usage

In summary, the conversation discusses the usage of two thermodynamic terms, Enthalpy and Gibbs Free Energy, in a Biophysics experiment involving hemoglobin and CO binding. The second law of Thermodynamics states that Entropy cannot decrease, so the Gibbs Free Energy is used as it is at minimum in equilibrium. However, in a paper about tunneling, Enthalpy is used instead. The reason for this is possibly related to the fact that the experiment looks at rebinding at different temperatures. The conversation also touches upon the relationship between Enthalpy and Activation Energy in Arrhenius behavior. Finally, the conversation brings up another paper that uses Enthalpy, but it is unclear if it is actually used in the paper.
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I'm currently taking a Biophysics lecture. There's a vast usage of the terms Enthalpy and Gibbs Free Energy. I understood that most of the time, we're dealing with the Gibbs Free Energy, because our experiment is at constant Temperature (e.g. room temperature) and constant Pressure (e.g. 1 atm). So the second law of Thermodynamics tells me, that Entropy cannot decrease and therefore the Gibbs Free Energy is at minimum in Equilibrium (with some intermediate steps).

So now I've read a paper about tunneling and they make use of the Enthalpy here: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/192/4243/1002.refs
I give you an abstract on the contents: they have hemoglobin and bind CO onto it. They flash it with light and the CO dissociates. Now the CO rebinds onto hemoglobin after some time. The rebinding process can be modeled as some kind of chemical reaction. This includes a activation Energy. As we have multiple protein conformations, each has its own activation Energy. So we have a whole spectrum of proteins with its activation Energys in the range of 1 to 6 kJ/mole.
They used the "Enthalpy" in the paper above. I'm wondering now, why they didn't choose the Gibbs Free Energy (because for the reasons above).

I have a thought on that, but I'm not sure, perhaps someone could confirm and make it a little more obvious to me: In the above experiment, we take a closer look on rebinding on different Temperatures. So this might be somehow related to the fact, that we cannot use the Gibbs Free Energy…
 
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I had a quick look at the article and can't find where they use enthalpy. Can you point it out?
 
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I'm sorry, but I still don't see where enthalpy is used. Everything is calculated in terms of the actual energy of the system (neither enthalpy nor free energy).
 
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Well in the upper left area of the second page, the author uses g(H). I was assuming, that H denotes the Enthalpy here. (I was learning from a non-public script which cites the above article. In the script it was explicitly called "Enthalpy".)
 
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I haven't looked at the paper. But I think in these experiments they are measuring the change with temperature. But the change of free enthalpy with temperature is proportional to enthalpy (Gibbs Helmholtz relation).
 
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Hm I cannot see that immediately from the Gibbs Helmholtz relation… could you explain that a little to me?

Further hypothesis is: at low temperatures, the entropical Term in dG = dH - TdS vanishes. But the paper works at Temperatures around 60K, so… everything seems a little vague to me…
 
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Well, I just had a look at your paper. "H" is defined below eq. 1 and called "barrier height". As it is used to calculate a quantum mechanical tunnelling probability, it must be a true energy and not a Delta G. Also the Arrhenius behaviour requires an energy.
Have a look at this document to learn how exactly the Arrhenius energy and Delta H are linked:
http://www.udel.edu/pchem/C444/spLectures2010/kineticsbasicelementsV.pdf
 
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Thank you for the resource! Besides the last paragraph, I was familiar with the theory. So the statement of this paper is, that the Activation Energy in Arrhenius corresponds to an Activation Enthalpy in Eyring?
Furthermore, you said
DrDu said:
it must be a true energy and not a Delta G
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So isn't Delta G a "true Energy". I mean it has the unit of Joules and it differs from e.g. Internal Energy only by how work and heat is accounted for…

I stumbled upon another paper, which explicitly states, that the Enthalpy is being used (already in the abstract, but it's not about tunneling in this case):
http://www.jbc.org/content/257/4/1639.short
 
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I don't think that there's an enthalpy used in this paper (I just briefly glanced over it). I think, H means "Hamiltonian" there, not enthalpy.
 

What is enthalpy?

Enthalpy is a thermodynamic property that represents the total heat content of a system, including both its internal energy and the work required to create or maintain its pressure and volume.

What is Gibbs free energy?

Gibbs free energy is a thermodynamic quantity that combines enthalpy and entropy to determine the spontaneity of a reaction or process.

What is the difference between enthalpy and Gibbs free energy?

Enthalpy is a measure of the total energy of a system, while Gibbs free energy takes into account both the energy and the disorder of a system. Enthalpy is used to determine the heat exchanged in a reaction, while Gibbs free energy is used to determine whether a reaction will occur spontaneously.

How are enthalpy and Gibbs free energy used in thermodynamics?

Enthalpy and Gibbs free energy are used to determine the direction and spontaneity of reactions and processes. They can also be used to calculate the amount of energy or work needed for a reaction to occur.

What factors affect the usage of enthalpy and Gibbs free energy in thermodynamics?

The temperature, pressure, and composition of a system can all affect the usage of enthalpy and Gibbs free energy in thermodynamics. Additionally, the presence of catalysts or other substances can also impact the results obtained using these thermodynamic quantities.

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