Thermodynamics - isentropic, polytropic and compressibility

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of compressibility in isentropic calculations for fans and pumps. The compressibility factor, denoted by k, is used to correct for non-ideality in the gas law. The use of k in calculating fan power is derived from an isentropic process, but the factor itself is not derived from this process. Advanced thermodynamic literature such as "Introduction to Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics" and "Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics" may provide more detailed information on the topic.
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Several questions:

  1. What does compression actually means? In the case of isentropic calculations a changed in density (or specific volume) is included in the calculations (isentropic.jpg) so isentropic means that compressibility is included in those calculations or what?
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  2. In a previous thread, a compressibility factor k (untitled.jpg) is mentioned ( https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...or-pressure-for-calculating-fan-power.690663/ ). Any idea how this factor is derived?
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  3. Using k, the fan power is then calculated using W = (P2 – P1)*V*k - any idea of how this is calculated - because this is NOT the relation descibing work for an isentropic process?
  4. Can you give me some references to literature where these compressibility factor are derived and the relations between isentropic and polytropic relations is derived for fans and pumps? I have been looking in standard thermodynamic literature (Smith, van Ness, Abbott ”introduction to chemical engineering thermodynamics”, 5th edition and Moran, Shapiro “Fundamentals of engineering thermodynamics 3rd edition”) but the literature is not detailed enough for fans and pumps. I need some advanced thermodynamics for isentropic, polytriopic proceses describing fans and pumps and including compressibility..
 
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2) A small addition to my question 2): What confuses me is that the compressibility factor is used to correct for "non-ideality" - that is, for the gas law PV = ZNRT, Z is the compressibility which expresses the "degree of ideality". Z=1 means that it is the ideal gas law.

In other words if k = 1 = Z; then we have a process that can described with the ideal gas law. Apparently, the equation in 2) looks like something that is derived from an isentropic process - can the compressibility factor Z be drived from an isentropic process? I think not but I need to understand the details...
 

1. What is the difference between isentropic and polytropic processes in thermodynamics?

Isentropic and polytropic processes are both types of thermodynamic processes that involve changes in a system's temperature, pressure, and volume. The main difference between the two is that isentropic processes are reversible and adiabatic, meaning there is no heat transfer during the process, while polytropic processes are irreversible and involve some heat transfer. Isentropic processes also involve a constant entropy, while polytropic processes involve a varying entropy.

2. How does compressibility affect thermodynamic processes?

Compressibility is a measure of how easily a substance can be compressed or expanded. In thermodynamics, it plays a significant role in determining the behavior of gases during processes such as compression and expansion. Compressibility affects the pressure, temperature, and volume of a gas, and can also impact the efficiency of processes such as heat engines.

3. What are the applications of isentropic, polytropic, and compressibility in real-world systems?

Isentropic, polytropic, and compressibility concepts are used in various real-world systems, including power plants, refrigeration systems, and gas pipelines. Understanding these processes allows engineers to design and optimize these systems for maximum efficiency and performance. Compressibility is particularly important in the design of aircraft engines, where changes in pressure and temperature can significantly affect performance.

4. How do you calculate the isentropic and polytropic efficiency of a process?

The isentropic efficiency of a process is calculated by comparing the actual change in entropy to the ideal change in entropy for an isentropic process. It is expressed as a percentage. The polytropic efficiency is calculated by comparing the actual work done on or by the system to the work done in an ideal polytropic process. It is also expressed as a percentage.

5. How can the compressibility factor be used to predict the behavior of gases?

The compressibility factor is a dimensionless quantity that represents the deviation of a gas from its ideal behavior. It is calculated by dividing the actual volume of a gas by the ideal gas volume at the same temperature and pressure. The compressibility factor can be used to predict the behavior of gases in different conditions, such as high pressures or low temperatures, where they may deviate from ideal gas behavior. This is important in industries such as oil and gas, where precise measurements of gas behavior are necessary for efficient operations.

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