Thermodynamics question (Adiabatic expansion)

In summary, the question asks for the final temperature of an ideal gas in an evacuated and insulated tank after it is filled with gas from an infinite volume at a constant temperature. The solution involves considering the gas as the system and using the first law of thermodynamics to equate the internal energy gained by the gas to the enthalpy of the gas entering the tank. The final temperature is found to be equal to the initial temperature multiplied by the ratio of the gas's specific heat at constant pressure to its specific heat at constant volume.
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Hello,
I am taking a course on thermodynamics and there was a question on our textbook( "Thermodynamics of Materials" by David V. Ragone) and I can't understand the solution given to me by my prof and I think it is wrong.

Homework Statement


An evacuated (P=0), insulated tank is surrounded by a very large volume (assume infinite volume) of an ideal gas at a temperature To. The valve on the tank is opened and the surrounding gas is allowed to flow quickly into the tank until the pressure inside the tank equals the pressure outside. Assume that no heat flow takes place. What is the final temperature of the gas in the tank?
The heat capacities of the gas, C p and C v, each may be assumed to be constant over the temperature range spanned by the experiment. Your answer may be left in terms of C p and C v.
Hint: One way to approach the problem is to define the system as the gas that ends up in the tank.
(Ragone: problem 1.5)

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The Attempt at a Solution


Ok First of all, the question is asking us the relation between T1 (To) and T2. I think they should be the same given that the volume gained by the expansion(Vg) would be so minimal (read: negligible) compared to the infinite volume we have that P*(V(infinite)+Vg)=nRT would be the same as P*V(infinite)=nRT meaning that T1=T2 temperature would not change

and I think what we should do is apply the adiabatic expansion formula for temperature change (as this is exactly that, I think) : T2/T1=(P2/P1)^(R/Cp)
this solution is given in the following link under the problem 1.5 and the result overlaps with my line of thinking (T2=T1)
http://wenku.baidu.com/view/c19452bb960590c69ec376c5.html

But the solution we were given and another one I've found on the internet on the OCW of MIT is (the solution numbered 3.4 given in the first solution set as pdf in the following link) http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/materials-science-and-engineering/3-20-materials-at-equilibrium-sma-5111-fall-2003/assignments/
I will write the solution here with my comments in paranthesis:
Closed system solution
System is gas flowing into the tank
U2-U1= Q+w = w (since Q=0, adiabatic)
1)U2-U1=P1*V1 (How?? I thought w=-P(external)*ΔV , NOT P(of the gas)*V(of the gas) )
For an ideal gas,
2)U2-U1=N*Cv*(T2-T1)
3)P1*V1=nR*T1
From 1), 2) and 3) --> n*Cv*(T2-T1)=nR*T1
and since R=Cp-Cv
n*Cv*T2-n*Cv*T1=n*Cp*T1-n*Cv*T1
so T2=(Cp/Cv)*T1

I think this solution is wrong and I don't really understand it. Can any of you help me with understanding it or confirm that it is wrong?
 
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Ok First of all, the question is asking us the relation between T1 (To) and T2. I think they should be the same given that the volume gained by the expansion(Vg) would be so minimal (read: negligible) compared to the infinite volume we have that P*(V(infinite)+Vg)=nRT would be the same as P*V(infinite)=nRT meaning that T1=T2 temperature would not change

You are asked about the temperature change of the gas in the tank, not that of the infinite volume !

and I think what we should do is apply the adiabatic expansion formula for temperature change (as this is exactly that, I think) : T2/T1=(P2/P1)^(R/Cp)
this solution is given in the following link under the problem 1.5 and the result overlaps with my line of thinking (T2=T1)
No, it is not exactly that if you are referring to a free expansion of an amount of gas of definite volume into a vacuum chamber.

The MIT solution is correct.
the solution from MIT finallizes into the following:
The enthalpy of the gas entering the tank is equal to the final internal energy of the gas in the tank. Or H1 = U2.

1)U2-U1=P1*V1 (How?? I thought w=-P(external)*ΔV , NOT P(of the gas)*V(of the gas) )
You should consider what is pushing the amount of gas into the tank.

The rest of the solution is manipulation of the basic equations.

The other solution listed at the MIT site has the tank as the control volume.
Write down your basic fisrt law and eliminate the valuse that are zero. Remember that initially there is no gas in the tank, and finally, after the process is complete, all the gas is in the tank. ( ie the amount of gas that could fit into the tank is is the tank and not outside )
 
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1. What is adiabatic expansion in thermodynamics?

Adiabatic expansion is a process in thermodynamics where a gas expands in a container without any heat entering or leaving the system. This means that the temperature of the gas remains constant during the expansion.

2. What is the difference between adiabatic and isothermal processes?

In an adiabatic process, there is no heat transfer, while in an isothermal process, the temperature remains constant. Adiabatic processes do work on the surroundings, while isothermal processes do not.

3. How does adiabatic expansion affect the internal energy of a gas?

During adiabatic expansion, the internal energy of a gas decreases as the gas expands and does work on the surroundings. This decrease in internal energy results in a decrease in temperature of the gas.

4. What is the equation for adiabatic expansion?

The equation for adiabatic expansion is P1V1^γ = P2V2^γ, where P1 and V1 are the initial pressure and volume of the gas, P2 and V2 are the final pressure and volume of the gas, and γ is the heat capacity ratio for the gas.

5. What are some real-life examples of adiabatic expansion?

One example of adiabatic expansion is the expansion of compressed air in a can of spray paint. Another example is the expansion of air inside a bicycle pump when it is used to inflate a tire. Adiabatic expansion also occurs in the Earth's atmosphere, as air rises and expands due to changes in pressure.

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