Vector Force - Supporting Vs. Hanging

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of vector forces in the context of hanging loads and whether the same principles apply when the system is inverted. The conclusion is that while the free body vector diagram may not be the same, the relevant features remain consistent. The conversation also mentions the work of Spanish architect Gaudi and his use of inverted models to demonstrate this concept.
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I have only a very basic understanding of vector forces in the context of hanging loads - for example, a weighted object anchored from two points, the internal angle between the two lines from those points to the load determining the actual force each line must support.

What I don't know is if the same vector forces apply if you essentially invert that system - that is, a single base with two support arms leaving it at an angle and supporting a single load (e.g. a barbell held overhead with a wide grip).

In a typical snatch-width grip, a lifter will have about a 75-degree angle between the arms. If this were a hanging system, this would mean each arm were supporting about 63% of the weight. Does this hold true in the opposite direction?

Thanks!
 
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Yes.
The free body vector diagram is not the same as the original diagram turned upside down. But the features relevant to your specific question are the same.
 
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greg333 said:
What I don't know is if the same vector forces apply if you essentially invert that system
As far as I can see, the answer to your question is Yes. It may be difficult to produce two situations in practice that are clearly mirror images of each other but it's right in principle.

You may be interested to see what this link has to say about the idea. The Spanish architect Gaudi created a number of architectural designs for systems of arches, by making 'upside down' models, using chains with weights hanging on them. There are many examples of his work to be seen in Barcelona and there is a museum which shows models of his technique. nSo the idea certainly has legs.
 
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Thank you!
 

Related to Vector Force - Supporting Vs. Hanging

1. What is the difference between supporting and hanging in vector force?

In vector force, supporting refers to a force that acts in a direction perpendicular to an object's surface, helping to hold it up or keep it in place. Hanging, on the other hand, refers to a force that acts downward, pulling the object towards the ground.

2. How do supporting and hanging forces affect an object's stability?

Supporting forces can increase an object's stability by preventing it from tipping or falling over. Hanging forces can decrease an object's stability by pulling it towards the ground, making it more likely to fall.

3. What are some examples of supporting and hanging forces in everyday life?

Examples of supporting forces include the force of a book resting on a table, or the force of a person sitting on a chair. Examples of hanging forces include the force of gravity pulling on a hanging plant or the force of a backpack hanging from a person's shoulders.

4. Can supporting and hanging forces cancel each other out?

Yes, supporting and hanging forces can cancel each other out if they are equal in magnitude and acting in opposite directions. This is known as equilibrium, where the net force on an object is zero and it remains in a state of rest or constant motion.

5. How do engineers use vector force analysis in design and construction?

Engineers use vector force analysis to determine the stability of structures, such as buildings and bridges, and to ensure that supporting and hanging forces are balanced to prevent collapse. They also use this analysis to optimize the design of structures and determine the strength and placement of materials.

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