What does 3-dimensional space deform into, in the presence of gravity?

In summary, the conversation discusses the visualization of space and how it can be represented in different dimensions. It also mentions the idea of space deforming into higher dimensions, but the validity of this concept is questioned. The conversation also brings up the use and reliability of pop science sources, particularly in regards to the work of Brian Greene.
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I have no expertise in this area, other than rudimentary concepts. The following might apply if the visualization of space, as depicted below, represents actual reality, but I don't know for sure. Please help me understand better, you guys!

2-dimensional space
The curvatures deform into the 3rd dimension, as can be seen in the picture below.

So in 3-dimensional space, what does space deform into? 4th!?
We can't even visualize it! Unless it doesn't deform into the 4th, but instead just stretches space, without a deformation into a 4th. See another picture below.

This is mentioned by Brian Greene, notable for his documentary The Elegant Universe. He's mostly about string theory but poses this question as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curved_space

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jaketodd said:
2-dimensional space
The curvatures deform into the 3rd dimension
No, they don't. The third dimension in the picture has no relationship to any dimension in reality. A curved space doesn't deform "into" anything. The curvature is intrinsic.

jaketodd said:
So in 3-dimensional space, what does space deform into?
Nothing. See above.

jaketodd said:
This is mentioned by Brian Greene, notable for his documentary The Elegant Universe.
This is a pop science source and is not a valid reference. In fact, Greene's pop science books and videos are particularly bad because of the number of misunderstandings they create among unsuspecting lay people. We have had many past PF threads on this.
 
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@jaketodd, you apparently have failed to take my advice to learn from textbooks and peer-reviewed papers instead of pop science sources. You really, really, really, really need to take it.
 
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The OP is based on a misconception obtained from an invalid pop science reference. Thread closed.
 

1. What is the concept of 3-dimensional space deformation in the presence of gravity?

The concept of 3-dimensional space deformation in the presence of gravity refers to the bending or warping of space and time caused by the presence of massive objects. This is described by Einstein's theory of general relativity, which states that gravity is not a force between masses, but rather the curvature of space and time caused by the presence of mass and energy.

2. How does gravity cause 3-dimensional space to deform?

Gravity causes 3-dimensional space to deform by creating a curvature in the fabric of space-time. This curvature is caused by the presence of mass and energy, which warps the space around it. The more massive an object is, the greater its gravitational pull and the more it will warp the space around it.

3. Does gravity affect all objects in the same way?

No, gravity affects objects differently depending on their mass and distance from the source of gravity. The more massive an object is, the stronger its gravitational pull and the more it will warp the space around it. Similarly, the closer an object is to the source of gravity, the stronger its gravitational pull and the more it will deform the space around it.

4. Can gravity cause 3-dimensional space to deform in more than one direction?

Yes, gravity can cause 3-dimensional space to deform in multiple directions. This is because gravity is a curvature of both space and time, and objects with mass can create a curvature in both dimensions. This can result in the warping of space in multiple directions, depending on the distribution of mass and energy in the space-time fabric.

5. Is the deformation of 3-dimensional space due to gravity a permanent effect?

No, the deformation of 3-dimensional space due to gravity is not a permanent effect. The space-time fabric can be reshaped and rewarped as the distribution of mass and energy changes. This is why the effects of gravity can vary depending on the location and movement of objects in space.

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