What is G-Force Before Engines Turn On?

In summary, the conversation discusses the value of g-force on a graph before the engines turn on. Arguments for 1 g-force include the experience of 1 g-force on Earth and by astronauts before the engines turn on. Arguments for 0 g-force include the acceleration of the rocket being 0 while on the ground. The correct interpretation is likely proper acceleration, as indicated by the term "G-force" and the observed drop to 0 during stage changes. The figure caption also states that the vehicle is in orbit with zero acceleration after the first burn, further supporting the use of proper acceleration.
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I was looking at this graph and wondering what the value of the graph would be before the engines turn on. Should it be 1 g-force or 0 g-force? (the "force" in g-force being a misnomer as it is a measure of acceleration, not force) Below are arguments for each:

Why it should be 1 g-force: We experience 1 g-force of acceleration on Earth's surface. The astronauts would also experience 1 g-force before the engines turn on.

Why it should be 0 g-force: The acceleration of the rocket (in m/s^2) is clearly 0 while the rocket is still on the ground. 0 m/s^2 corresponds to 0 g-force.

Which is the correct interpretation? Or is this just a problem of choosing your zero? In that case what is the convention?
 
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DocZaius said:
Why it should be 1 g-force: We experience 1 g-force of acceleration on Earth's surface. The astronauts would also experience 1 g-force before the engines turn on.
That's "proper acceleration":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_acceleration

DocZaius said:
Why it should be 0 g-force: The acceleration of the rocket (in m/s^2) is clearly 0 while the rocket is still on the ground. 0 m/s^2 corresponds to 0 g-force..
That's "coordiante acceleration" in the rest frame of the surface:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration

DocZaius said:
Which is the correct interpretation?
If it says "G-force" it probably means proper acceleration. Also because it drops to 0 during stage changes. Coordinate acceleration would drop to -1g.
 
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Ah I should have paid attention to the stage changes! No ambiguity there. Thank you!
 
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DocZaius said:
Ah I should have paid attention to the stage changes!

And also the figure caption:

8. With the cut-off of the S-IVB's first burn, the vehicle is in orbit with zero acceleration.
 
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I can provide a response to the question of what is G-Force before engines turn on. G-Force, or gravitational force, is a measure of the acceleration that an object experiences due to gravity. This can also be referred to as "g-loading" or "g-forces". Before the engines turn on, the rocket is still on the ground and not accelerating, so the acceleration due to gravity is 0 m/s^2. This means that the g-force would also be 0.

However, it is important to note that the term "g-force" is often used in a more general sense to refer to any type of acceleration, not just that due to gravity. In this case, the value of the graph before the engines turn on could be interpreted as 1 g-force, as the rocket is still experiencing the Earth's gravity at a constant rate of 1 g.

It is also important to consider the convention used in the graph. If the graph is measuring the acceleration of the rocket in terms of g-forces, then the value before the engines turn on would be 0 g-force. However, if the graph is measuring the acceleration in terms of m/s^2, then the value before the engines turn on would be 0 m/s^2. Therefore, the interpretation of the value on the graph before the engines turn on depends on the context and convention used in the graph.

In conclusion, the correct interpretation of the value of g-force before engines turn on is 0 g-force, as the rocket is not accelerating due to gravity. However, the term "g-force" can also be used in a more general sense to refer to any type of acceleration, in which case the value before the engines turn on could be interpreted as 1 g-force. Ultimately, it is important to consider the context and convention used in the graph to accurately interpret the value before the engines turn on.
 

1. What is G-Force Before Engines Turn On?

G-Force before engines turn on refers to the force of acceleration experienced by an object or person before the engines of a vehicle or aircraft are turned on.

2. How is G-Force Before Engines Turn On Calculated?

G-Force before engines turn on is calculated using the formula F = ma, where F is the force, m is the mass of the object, and a is the acceleration. This can also be expressed as G = a/g, where G is the G-Force and g is the acceleration due to gravity.

3. What are Some Common Examples of G-Force Before Engines Turn On?

Some common examples of G-Force before engines turn on include the force experienced by a person in a roller coaster before it starts moving, the force experienced by a car when it accelerates from a stationary position, or the force experienced by a rocket before its engines ignite.

4. How Does G-Force Before Engines Turn On Affect the Human Body?

G-Force before engines turn on can have varying effects on the human body, depending on the magnitude and duration of the force. In most cases, it can cause discomfort and disorientation, and in extreme cases, it can lead to injury or loss of consciousness.

5. Is G-Force Before Engines Turn On the Same as G-Force During Flight?

No, G-Force before engines turn on is not the same as G-Force experienced during flight. G-Force during flight is a result of the acceleration caused by the engines and is measured in a different direction. G-Force before engines turn on is the force experienced in a stationary position before the engines are turned on.

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