What is the purpose of the Prandtl Mixing Length for turbulent flow?

In summary, Prandtl's mixing length is a length scale that is proportional to the distance from the wall and is used to solve the momentum equation.
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What is the purpose of the Prandtl mixing method and what does it mean?
Hi,

I was recently learning about turbulent boundary layers and came across the 'Prandtl mixing length'. I am struggling to understand what the concept is and what its purpose is. I would appreciate any help or guidance of where I can look to gain a better understanding.

The information I currently know is below.

The turbulent 2D boundary layer momentum equation is given by:
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Then we can define an eddy viscosity [itex] \epsilon_{M} [/itex] such that:
[tex] \tau_{turbulent} = - \rho \overline{u' v'} = \rho \epsilon_{M} \frac{du}{dy} [/tex]
The cyclic motion of a turbulent packet of fluid results in a turbulent shear stress. Therefore, we seek some model to relate this motion to eddy viscosity. Prandtl postulated that the turbulent fluctuation [itex] u' [/itex] is proportional to the time average of the absolute value of these fluctuations, thus giving:
[tex] u' = l' \frac{du}{dy} [/tex]
This distance [itex] l [/itex] is called Prandtl’s mixing length. Also the idea that [itex] u' [/itex] would be the same order of magnitude as [itex] v′ [/itex] (assumption only valid for isotropic turbulence). Giving:
[tex] \tau_{turbulent} = - \rho \overline{u' v'} = \rho \epsilon_{M} \frac{du}{dy} = \rho l^2 \left( \frac{du}{dy} \right)^2 [/tex]
The eddy viscosity varies through the boundary layer. Prandtl’s hypothesis was that the mixing length is proportional to the distance from the wall, [itex] l = ky [/itex] where [itex] k [/itex] is a constant and also the shear stress is uniform and approximately equal to the value at the wall in the region close to the wall, [itex] \tau_t = \tau_w [/itex]. This leads to an expression for the shear stress
[tex] \tau_t = \rho k^2 y^2 \left( \frac{du}{dy} \right)^2 [/tex]
[itex] y [/itex] is the upper bound of [itex] l [/itex] since mixing length cannot be greater than the distance from the wall by our definition. Taking the square root and integrating gives:

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That is the text that I have on the topic. After reading this, I am not completely sure what the purpose of this concept is.

Thanks in advance.
 
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The shear stress in the momentum equation is unknown so you need a model for it to solve the equation. Prandtl's model expresses the shear stress in terms of some length scale and the velocity gradients. The mixing length hypothesis gives the simplest model that will allow you to solve the momentum equation.

There is no universal mixing length in turbulent flows, but for flows like free shear flow you can determine a reasonable value for the mixing length for the type of flow you would like to analyze.

These are important concepts, and not every book explains it with the level of detail it deserves. You can check 'Viscous Fluid Flows' by Frank White to see some examples, or Turbulence Modeling for CFD by David Wilcox.
 
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I think the ultimate thing to remember here is that the Prandtl mixing length theory was a simple, early closure model to an extraordinarily complex problem. It works decently under a limited set of conditions but doesn't really have a physical basis, especially since it is based on some approximations that are not well-justified but were the only ones available at the time.

At the end of the day, it's a turbulence model, and as is the case with many things in turbulence modeling, it's really just a knob to turn until your solution matches observations.

Many texts specifically on turbulence should have a good discussion, like Turbulent Flows by Pope or Turbulence by Davidson.
 
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1. What is the Prandtl Mixing Length for turbulent flow?

The Prandtl Mixing Length is a mathematical concept used in fluid mechanics to model the effects of turbulence on the flow of a fluid. It is named after the German physicist Ludwig Prandtl and is based on the idea that the turbulent eddies in a fluid behave like particles, with a certain length scale that can be used to describe their effects on the overall flow.

2. How is the Prandtl Mixing Length calculated?

The Prandtl Mixing Length is calculated using the eddy viscosity model, which relates the turbulent eddy viscosity to the mean velocity and length scale of the eddies. The formula for the Prandtl Mixing Length is L = k*y, where k is a constant and y is the distance from the wall of the fluid. This length scale is then used in equations to model the effects of turbulence on the flow.

3. What is the significance of the Prandtl Mixing Length in fluid mechanics?

The Prandtl Mixing Length is a crucial parameter in fluid mechanics as it allows for the modeling of turbulent flow, which is a common occurrence in many natural and industrial processes. It helps to predict the behavior of fluids in situations where turbulence is present, such as in pipes, jets, and boundary layers.

4. How does the Prandtl Mixing Length differ from the Kolmogorov length scale?

The Prandtl Mixing Length and the Kolmogorov length scale are both length scales used in fluid mechanics, but they serve different purposes. The Prandtl Mixing Length is used to model the effects of turbulence on the overall flow, while the Kolmogorov length scale is used to describe the smallest scales of turbulence in a fluid.

5. Can the Prandtl Mixing Length be applied to all types of fluids?

The Prandtl Mixing Length can be applied to a wide range of fluids, including gases and liquids. However, it is most commonly used for incompressible fluids, as the assumptions made in its derivation are based on this type of fluid flow. For compressible fluids, other models may be more appropriate.

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