What is the validity of this electrical circuit?

In summary: Where did they come from?In summary, the conversation discusses a circuit and the use of the node voltage method to determine if the circuit is valid or invalid. The conversation also includes calculations for various power dissipations in the circuit. The accuracy of the calculations is questioned, and it is noted that a negative potential across a current source indicates energy absorption.
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Homework Statement



Determine if the circuit is valid or invalid.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Please note which node I used as the ground node and which node I have labeled [itex]V_{1}[/itex]. By the node voltage method

[itex]\frac{V_{1}}{8} + 10 - 2 + \frac{V_{1} - 10}{5} = 0[/itex]
[itex]\frac{13V_{1}}{40} + 6 = 0 [/itex]
[itex]\frac{13V_{1}}{40} = -6[/itex]
[itex]V_{1} = -\frac{240}{13} V[/itex]

[itex]I_{1} = \frac{V_{1}}{8} = -\frac{240}{13*8} = -\frac{30}{13} A[/itex]
[itex]I_{2} = \frac{V_{1}-10}{5} = \frac{\frac{-240}{13}-10}{5} = -\frac{74}{13}[/itex]
[itex]I_{3} = 10 + I_{2} = 10 + {-\frac{74}{13}} = \frac{56}{13}[/itex]

[itex]V = IR[/itex]
[itex]P = IV[/itex]
[itex]P = I^{2}R[/itex]

[itex]P_{8Ω} = I^{2}R = (-\frac{30}{13})^{2}8 = \frac{7200}{169}[/itex]
[itex]P_{5Ω} = I^{2}R = (-\frac{74}{13})^{2}5 = \frac{27380}{169}[/itex]
[itex]P_{2Ω} = I^{2}R = (\frac{56}{13})^{2}2 = \frac{6272}{169}[/itex]
[itex]P_{10V} = IV = \frac{56}{13}10 = \frac{560}{13}[/itex]
[itex]P_{2A} = \frac{240}{13}2 = IV = \frac{480}{13}[/itex]
[itex]P_{10A} = IV = 10{-\frac{240}{13}-\frac{74}{13}} = \frac{3140}{13}[/itex]

These don't add up to zero. I'm kind of confused as to when you are supposed to use a negative sign or not. I used a negative sign in the last calculation because the current is going from lower potential to higher potential. Thanks for nay help you can provide.
 
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In your first equation, the final term ##\frac{V_1 - 10}{5}## is not correct. The point where the 5Ω resistor terminates is not at 10V above reference since there's a series resistor of 2Ω in the path. You have two nodes to deal with.
 
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Hi gneill,

Why can't I count the node where the 10 volt source, 5 ohm resistor, and 10 Amp source meet to be 10 volts?
 
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GreenPrint said:
Hi gneill,

Why can't I count the node where the 10 volt source, 5 ohm resistor, and 10 Amp source meet to be 10 volts?

You could if the reference node was at the bottom of the 10V source. But it isn't. There's a 2Ω resistor in the way.
 
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Ok thanks I forgot about that resistor.
 
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http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1566/capturekwm.png

I believe the picture in this post is accurate. However how would I calculated the power dissipated in the 2A source?

I know I use

P = IV
P = 2(0-(-19.2))
or
P = 2(-19.2-0)

which one is correct?

Thanks
 
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Your node voltages and currents don't look right. Better recheck your calculations.

If the potential across a current source is negative (if it's driving a current from a higher potential to a lower potential), then it's absorbing energy.
 
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What exactly dosen't look right?
 
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GreenPrint said:
What exactly dosen't look right?

All the voltages and currents that you've added to the drawing.
 

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