What lead N.Bohr to come up with his postulates?

In summary, the conversation discusses the history and flaws of the Bohr-Sommerfeld model in explaining the stability and energy levels of the hydrogen atom. The classical physics model predicts instability due to the emission of electromagnetic waves, but Bohr's "quantum rule" allowed for stable orbits and accurate description of the hydrogen spectrum. However, this model only works for the hydrogen atom and requires various ad hoc assumptions for other atoms. With the development of modern quantum theory, the Bohr-Sommerfeld model is no longer considered a valid explanation.
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I can find information everywhere about his postulates but not how he came up with them either than the hydrogen spectrum.
 
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The usual story is that Bohr met Rutherford when he made is famous gold-foil experiment which demonstrated that atoms are made of a tiny positively charged nucleus with the electrons somehow grouped around it. In between there's just a lot of empty space. That picture cannot be right within classical physics, because it implies that the electrons must run around the nucleus like the planets run around the sun. The difference between this analogous systems is that in the atom it's the electromagnetic interaction that keeps the system together, and this is by a factor of about ##10^{40}## larger than the gravity holding the solar system together. Now relativity implies that both systems must radiate off electric or gravitational waves, respectively. While the gravitational waves are very weak, and it takes ages to radiate off enough energy from the planets running around the sun that it is negligible over the time range we look at them, for the atom its a very short time, where the electron would radiate off all it's energy and consequently must crash into the nucleus. In short: Classical physics inevitably predicts the unstability of the hydrogen atom, which is of course completely against experience.

Now Bohr introduced ad hoc assumptions on the stability of certain orbits by making up his "quantum rule", according to which the phase-space area of any action-angle variable pair must be an integer multiple of ##\hbar/(2 \pi)## (Plancks quantum of action). This worked beautifully for the hydrogen atom in the sense that now you have these stable orbits and only when the electron jumps from a higher energetic orbit to a lower energetic one it radiates off a photon with the energy difference of the energy levels as its energy ##E_{\gamma}=\hbar \omega## with ##\omega## the frequency of the photon. This lead to the correct description of the hydrogen spectrum (neglecting the fine structure).

Then Sommerfeld refined the model and making it also relativistic. The funny thing is that he got even the correct fine structure!

The flaw, however is that all this is an accident, working well for the hydrogen atom only, and this must have to do with the large symmetry of the Kepler problem, which seems to make the theoretical treatment very robust, i.e., nearly any theory can predict the correct energy levels. However, when the physicists at the time applied the methods of this so discovered "old quantum theory" they got frustrated since although they got rough qualitative agreement also for multi-electron atoms (using Pauli's exclusion principle as one more assumption), but to get it quantitatively right, they had to introduce more and more ad hoc assumptions for any sort of atom. That's not very convincing, and indeed, with the advent of modern quantum theory the Bohr-Sommerfeld model was history (and should, in my opinion, remain there and not be taught in great detail anymore since it's more confusing and hindering the understanding of modern QT than it helps in any way).
 
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1. What were the main influences on N.Bohr's postulates?

N.Bohr was heavily influenced by the works of Max Planck and Albert Einstein, who had proposed the quantum theory of radiation and the theory of relativity respectively. He also drew inspiration from Ernest Rutherford's nuclear model of the atom.

2. How did N.Bohr's postulates contribute to the development of quantum mechanics?

N.Bohr's postulates were a significant contribution to the development of quantum mechanics as they provided a framework for understanding the behavior of electrons in atoms. His postulates also helped explain the spectral lines of atoms, which were previously unexplainable by classical physics.

3. What were the key postulates proposed by N.Bohr?

N.Bohr's postulates included the idea that electrons can only exist in certain energy levels around the nucleus of an atom, and that they can only transition between these levels by emitting or absorbing specific amounts of energy. He also proposed that the angular momentum of electrons is quantized, meaning it can only take on certain values.

4. How did N.Bohr's postulates challenge classical physics?

N.Bohr's postulates challenged classical physics by introducing the concept of quantization, which states that energy and other physical quantities are not continuous but instead exist in discrete, indivisible units. This was contrary to the classical view that energy and matter could exist in any amount or form.

5. What impact did N.Bohr's postulates have on the understanding of the atom?

N.Bohr's postulates revolutionized the understanding of the atom, as they provided a more accurate and comprehensive model of the atom compared to the classical model. His postulates also laid the foundation for further developments in quantum mechanics and helped shape our understanding of the atomic and subatomic world.

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