What objects, in General Relativity, carry units?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of units in General Relativity. The participants agree that coordinates on manifold patches and velocities with respect to a parameter have no units. However, proper time does have units, and the metric needs to have units in order to give meaning to distance. The discussion also mentions the use of vectors and basis in tangent spaces, and how this relates to the units of length and time in the context of General Relativity. Ultimately, the participants conclude that the units of the velocity components and the metric are crucial in making calculations and measurements in the theory.
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Hi, maybe someone could answer this for me, or at least confirm my answer. (It's not homework.)

What objects, in General Relativity, carry units?

My thinking is that coordinates, [tex]x^i[/tex], on manifold patches have no units. And the parameter, [tex]t[/tex], for a path [tex]x^i(t)[/tex] has no units. So velocities with respect to that parameter have no units. But proper time does have units, seconds say, [tex][\tau]=s[/tex], and is the integral of the velocity magnitude
[tex]\Delta \tau = \int dt \sqrt{v^i v^j g_{ij}}[/tex]
So the metric needs to have units, [tex][g_{ij}]=s^2[/tex].

Does this seem right? Or does one actually ascribe units to manifold coordinates?
My feeling is one could do that, but those units would be meaningless and be swallowed by the metric, which is the only physical object giving meaning to distance and carrying units.

Thanks!
 
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I believe that the v_i have units of length over time and the metric is dimensionless, so that the overall dimension of the gunf under the integral sign is

[tex][T]\left([L]^2 [T]^{-2}\right)^{1/2} = [L][/tex]

But we know that the action is dimensionless, so we multiply by the appropriate combination of c, G and M in order to cancel the one factor of length.
 
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If [tex]v_i=\frac{dx^i}{dt}[/tex] has units of length over time, then the coordinates of a path on the manifold, [tex]x^i[/tex], need to have units of length, and the parameter, [tex]t[/tex], needs to have units of time. But that doesn't make sense to me, since manifold coordinates just come from charts -- maps from manifold points to [tex]\Re^4[/tex]. Unless I'm just being dumb about something?
 
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The v_i, living in the tangent space of the manifold, are often taken to be velocities. So I guess that means that the x_i have units of length.

I'm afraid that I don't have a philosophical reason as to 'why' this works out, other than the fact that it 'just works'.

Edit: You could try thinking about it this way:

Take v to be a vector and e_i a basis for the tangent space (at some point p), so that the components of v in the basis are v^i, and we have

[tex]v = v^i e_i[/tex]

We want the magnitude squared of v to have units of length squared over time squared, but we define |v|^2 as

[tex]|v|^2 = g(v,v) = g(v^ie_i, v^je_j) = v^iv^jg(e_i,e_j) = v^iv^jg_{ij}[/tex]

The only way for this to be sensible is to give units of length over time to the v_i, and no units to the g_ij.
 
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Related to What objects, in General Relativity, carry units?

1. What are the fundamental units in General Relativity?

In General Relativity, the fundamental units are length, time, and mass. These are the basic building blocks from which all other units are derived.

2. How do objects carry units in General Relativity?

In General Relativity, objects carry units through their properties, such as mass, length, and time. These properties are described by physical quantities and measured using units.

3. Can objects in General Relativity have different units?

Yes, objects in General Relativity can have different units depending on their properties. For example, a black hole and a star would have different mass and length units.

4. Why is it important to understand units in General Relativity?

Understanding units in General Relativity is crucial for accurately describing and measuring the properties and behavior of objects in this theory. It allows us to make meaningful comparisons and predictions based on physical quantities.

5. Are units in General Relativity the same as in other theories of physics?

No, units in General Relativity may differ from those in other theories of physics. This is because General Relativity has its own set of fundamental units, which may be different from those used in other theories.

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