Why is infinitesimal considered a number in mathematics?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of infinitesimal numbers and their classification as a type of number. It is mentioned that infinitesimals are not integers, rationals, or real numbers, but rather belong to the set of hyperreal numbers. One person expresses suspicion that three other usernames may be the same person due to similarities in their writing style and questions, but the accused person denies this and explains their use of different computers. The conversation ends with a staff member reassuring the accused person that their IP addresses do not match, and reminding users to privately report any suspicions of multiple accounts rather than publicly confronting someone.
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highmath
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Why infinitesimal is a "number"?!
 
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highmath said:
Why infinitesimal is a "number"?!

An infinitesimal is:
  • Not an integer number.
  • Not a rational number.
  • Not a real number.
  • It is a hyperreal number.
 
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What is the definition of hyperreal number?
 
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Monoxdifly said:
What is the definition of hyperreal number?

Any of the set of numbers formed by the addition of infinite numbers and infinitesimal numbers to the set of real numbers.
 
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I am getting the impression that "highmath", "Monoxdifly", and "UYTIYTYIUI" (on a different board) are the same person. They write in the same broken English and ask the same silly questions that are answered by basic definitions. Exactly the same question, in exactly the same wording "why infinitesimal is a number" was asked on another board where I answered, "whether an infinitesimal number is a number or not depends upon your definition of number. Infinitesmals are not "numbers" in the sense of the real number system but are in the hyperreals. Now Monoxdifly comes into ask "what are hyperreals?".
 
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highmath said:
Why infinitesimal is a "number"?!

Click Here to get a (not rigorous) feel for hyperreal numbers.
 
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Country Boy said:
I am getting the impression that "highmath", "Monoxdifly", and "UYTIYTYIUI" (on a different board) are the same person. They write in the same broken English and ask the same silly questions that are answered by basic definitions. Exactly the same question, in exactly the same wording "why infinitesimal is a number" was asked on another board where I answered, "whether an infinitesimal number is a number or not depends upon your definition of number. Infinitesmals are not "numbers" in the sense of the real number system but are in the hyperreals. Now Monoxdifly comes into ask "what are hyperreals?".

Who are even highmath and UYTIYTYIUI (****, that's even harder to write than my normal username)? I hope Wilmer/topsquark/MarkFL can assure you that I never use any username besides "Monox D. I-Fly" or "Monoxdifly" on any forum (I often encountered those 3 either in MMF or MHF, so I guess they are quite familiar with me. Also, broken English is quite a common trait among non-native English speakers, you know.
 
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Erm... Country Boy, aren't you the same person as HallsofIvy?
 
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Yes, and I frequent a number of different boards. But I don't ask the same silly questions on all of them. In particular, if someone pointed out a mistake I wouldn't post the same thing on a different board!
 
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Country Boy said:
Yes, and I frequent a number of different boards. But I don't ask the same silly questions on all of them. In particular, if someone pointed out a mistake I wouldn't post the same thing on a different board!
What you say is understandable, but personally I don't mind if people ask things even when they could be perceived as silly.
Also, it can be difficult to estimate an OP's background.

Perhaps it is like reading the papers: If I don't find something worthwhile, I move to another topic.
 
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Country Boy said:
Yes, and I frequent a number of different boards. But I don't ask the same silly questions on all of them. In particular, if someone pointed out a mistake I wouldn't post the same thing on a different board!

While I do cross-post in different forums (MMF, MIF, here, and MHF), all of them are specific questions, not what you perceived as silly. Sorry if I sound defensive, but someone accusing me of using clone accounts really offends me.
 
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Monoxdifly said:
While I do cross-post in different forums (MMF, MIF, here, and MHF), all of them are specific questions, not what you perceived as silly. Sorry if I sound defensive, but someone accusing me of using clone accounts really offends me.

Just to set the record straight for everyone reading this thread, none of your IP addresses show up for these other accounts. I can understand this accusation making you defensive, but I wouldn't really worry about it unless a staff member comes to you and says they have good reason to think you are using multiple accounts.

For everyone else, if you think two or more accounts are being used by the same person, please PM a staff member rather than confronting a user in public. :D
 
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MarkFL said:
Just to set the record straight for everyone reading this thread, none of your IP addresses show up for these other accounts. I can understand this accusation making you defensive, but I wouldn't really worry about it unless a staff member comes to you and says they have good reason to think you are using multiple accounts.

Oops, sorry about that. I sometimes use different computers, sometimes at work, sometimes at home, sometimes at internet cafes, sometimes at university library, but maybe I can assure you that all of my posts are from Indonesia?
 
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Monoxdifly said:
Oops, sorry about that. I sometimes use different computers, sometimes at work, sometimes at home, sometimes at internet cafes, sometimes at university library, but maybe I can assure you that all of my posts are from Indonesia?

We certainly do not want to discourage our users from logging in here from whatever number of different devices/networks that they want. All I looked at is whether any of your IP addresses were shared by any of the other users that were cited as potentially also being your accounts. I saw zero evidence for this. If I had, I would not have posted that information publicly but I would have discussed it with you privately if it were perceived to be a problem. We hope our users will use just one account, but we've had users use multiple account in the past, and as long as they weren't using those multiple accounts for less than desirable reasons, like vote multiple times in polls, or engage in congraulatory back slapping, upvoting, etc. then we generally don't do anything about it. It's only happened a small handful of times.
 

1. What is an infinitesimal number?

An infinitesimal number is a quantity that is smaller than any real number but is not equal to zero. It is often used in calculus to represent the limit of a sequence of numbers that approaches zero.

2. What is the significance of infinitesimal numbers in mathematics?

Infinitesimal numbers play a crucial role in calculus and other branches of mathematics as they allow us to study the behavior of continuously changing quantities. They are essential for understanding concepts such as derivatives and integrals.

3. Can infinitesimal numbers be used in real-world applications?

While infinitesimal numbers are primarily used in theoretical mathematics, they have found applications in physics, engineering, and economics. For example, infinitesimal quantities are used to model the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics.

4. Are infinitesimal numbers considered to be real numbers?

It depends on the context. In calculus, infinitesimal numbers are often treated as real numbers, but in other branches of mathematics, they may be considered as a separate type of number. Ultimately, the concept of infinitesimal numbers is still a topic of debate among mathematicians.

5. How are infinitesimal numbers different from zero?

While infinitesimal numbers are extremely small, they are not equal to zero. This means that they still have a value and can be used in mathematical operations, unlike zero, which is considered a placeholder or a neutral element in arithmetic.

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