Why would changing to a larger brake master cylinder decrease braking pressure?

In summary, changing the original 17mm brake master cylinder with a 19mm one in a 1974 Porsche 914 may decrease braking pressure due to the larger cross-sectional area of the 19mm piston. This means less force is applied per unit area, resulting in lower pressure. However, the 19mm piston will move more fluid for the same amount of pedal travel, meaning the pedal does not have to be pushed as far to apply the brakes, but with more force.
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Lugnuts
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Hi,

I am in the process of restoring the brakes a 1974 Porsche 914 and upon reading up on a Porsche forum found a discussion about changing the original 17mm brake master cylinder with a 19mm one. A number of individuals indicated that doing so would reduce braking pressure and I was unclear as to why that would be.
It would seem to me that with all brake lines and calipers staying the same that a 19mm master cylinder (assuming same brake pedal travel and force) would push more fluid through the lines and increase pressure.

Please help me understand if I am incorrect,

thx
lugnuts
 
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Pressure is NOT a function of volume in this case; it IS a function of the cylinder x-section area, larger area for constant applied pedal force means LOWER pressure.
 
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Pressure is force/area. The are of a circle is πr2, so, the area of the 17mm piston is 227 mm2. The area of the 19mm piston would be 284 mm2. Since there are 1 million mm2 per m2, Newtons per mm2 would be mega-pascals. If you + the brake booster apply 1000 Newtons to the piston the 17mm piston will produce 1000/227=4.41 mpa. The same 1000 Newtons applied to the 19mm piston would only produce 1000/284=3.52 mpa.

A brake system is not a completely static system however, pieces move. Therefore a certain volume of fluid must be moved in order to apply the brakes. The 19mm piston will move more fluid for the same amount of pedal travel, therefore you will not have to push the pedal as far to apply the brakes, you will however, have to push it harder.
 

1. What is the purpose of a Brake Master Cylinder?

The Brake Master Cylinder is a vital component of a vehicle's braking system. It is responsible for converting the force applied by the driver's foot on the brake pedal into hydraulic pressure, which then activates the brake calipers to slow down or stop the vehicle.

2. How does the Brake Master Cylinder output affect braking performance?

The output of the Brake Master Cylinder directly affects the braking performance of a vehicle. If the output is too low, the brakes may feel soft and unresponsive, while if the output is too high, the brakes can be too sensitive and cause the wheels to lock up. The output must be balanced to ensure safe and efficient braking.

3. What factors can affect the output of the Brake Master Cylinder?

There are several factors that can affect the output of the Brake Master Cylinder, including air in the brake lines, worn brake pads or rotors, a malfunctioning brake booster, and a faulty master cylinder itself. Regular maintenance and inspections can help identify and address these issues to maintain proper output.

4. How can the output of the Brake Master Cylinder be tested?

The output of the Brake Master Cylinder can be tested using a brake pressure gauge. This tool measures the pressure generated when the brake pedal is pressed, allowing for adjustments to be made if the output is too low or high. It is recommended to have a professional mechanic perform this test for accuracy.

5. What are the signs of a failing Brake Master Cylinder output?

If the Brake Master Cylinder output is failing, you may notice a decrease in braking performance, a spongy or unresponsive brake pedal, leaking brake fluid, or the brake warning light may illuminate on the dashboard. If you experience any of these symptoms, it is important to have your vehicle inspected by a professional mechanic to determine if the master cylinder is the cause.

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