Recent content by Grinkle

Klondike is a stint scenario, I concede that one is viable to recruit for. Jamestown is a good analogy for the discussion in the thread, I agree. The difference I see is that every human being who chose to go to Jamestown could easily and realistically envision a scenario where they would be...

I'm sure we are both applying myriad unstated assumptions in our individual 'theatres of the mind' when we make our assertions, and if we could somehow swap assumptions efficiently we might end up agreeing with each other. So I'll grant you that I might potentially agree if we spent enough time...

Are there enough people willing to live permanently on the moon or mars to make it viable? I think it likely that there are plenty of valuable resources under the surface of many major bodies of water right here on Earth, and there are no mining colonies or even discussion of any. Whatever...

As one does. :wink:

A hallucination is an example of an undesirable output, as is a racist comment. I'm not sure its easier to identify the source of a racist comment than it is to identify the source of a hallucination. Maybe hallucinations are less thematic to our mind - I don't know that they are more of a...

So what would I call it if not a bug? I suppose its an undesirable but unavoidable trade-off inherent in the architecture. Using a cost function to assess goodness of the output as its being constructed is nicely general, but optimality is hard to determine and beating an algorithm that has...

I am now questioning if its productive (from the software developers sense) to call a hallucination a bug. Certainly its a bug from the perspective of the user experience. White space in silicon is not thought of by the developer as a bug per se, because zero white space is not an entitlement...

This discussion on hallucinations connected a dot for me that I really should have connected long ago. I spent many years of my career working in EDA (electronic design automation), that is software used to design IC's. Place and Route software (an example of EDA functionality) is probably...

No, it is not measuring intelligence. It was not intended to measure intelligence - this is the crux of why you are getting so much push back. Can you find any reference to Turing saying he intended his test to measure intelligence?

I think I am not understanding you properly - the below is to help me understand better. Imo, yes. I speculate if one could ask Turing whether one could use an Encyclopedia Britannica (the Google of his day) during the evaluation, he would have shrugged and said something like "Whatever, sure...

You are conflating detection with intelligence here, no? The Turing test can't be flawed in the manner you suggest because it is what it is by definition. It doesn't assume the judge is human, its defined that way. As I read it, its not defined to have anything to do with intelligence per se...

The more I consider @Dale 's approach, the more I like it. Stripping away all of the romance and drama around AI by simply talking about software products avoids all that, and in addition - 1. No need to define AI vs non I software 2. Any regulation covers all software, even clearly non I...

@Dale You know this is something we could actually implement as a thread, right? A co-rdinating mentor could pick another mentor as test subject and and select their favorite LLM and yet another testing mentor who didn't know the identity of the test subject mentor could ask the questions of...

Why this? Because you couldn't think of how to end the test and this is the default or did you have other ways to end the test in mind and you prefer this method?

OK - thanks for clarifying, I understand where you are coming from.