Dave, I can see why you have 13k posts. Because you like to argue. But if you want to go down that path you say:
"No, it's not that we don't know.
Our models of the universe are logical and consistent without there needing to be anything outside it.
There is no reason to invent anything...
Nope I was fine with the answers I got. We don't know. I'm comfortable with that. Not going to get anything more substantial than that if I sit on this board for a million years. What got me was your comment DaveC426913: "No, it's not that we don't know." I guess that's what got me posting...
Very true and well said however we see that the universe is "expanding". The nobel prize was just awarded for this. What good sir is it expanding into? I ask you in good faith and await your answer.
Oh Really? Do tell what this years Nobel prize was all about? I await your explanation of "expansion" and into what said "expansion" is "expanding" into...
2011
The prize was awarded with one half to:
SAUL PERLMUTTER and the other half jointly to BRIAN P. SCHMIDT and ADAM G. RIESS for...
great answer and of course the correct one for now. We simply don't know. To say it's "nothing" is wrong. The answer is: We don't know. Period. However if we do KNOW that the universe is expanding then it is more probable it is expanding into SOMETHING rather than NOTHING. That's my point...
Meaningful? Interesting choice of words. Is it meaningful to imagine a creator that gets angry? I wonder... However if the analogy of the raisin bread, which is taught at Berkeley (where I first heard it) is propagated then the logical question must be pondered: what does the dough expand into...
Vorde, there will probably NEVER be evidence to support my idea. However the idea that there is "nothing" outside our universe seems a bit childish to me. You might as well tell me that there is a hidden realm called heaven and hell :)
yes indeed I'm afraid it will quite possibly always remain a theological statement (not falsifiable), however if we deal in probabilities I can say that something expanding into nothing is less probable than something expanding into something correct?
Nothing? That does not seem logical. You might as well have said that a perpetual motion machine is possible. Something cannot expand into "Nothing".
My thought is that our universe is just one bubble amongst many bubbles within an ocean of something...something that is not "nothing".
read analogy here:
http://cmb.physics.wisc.edu/tutorial/hubble.html
Less like an explosion and more like raisins baking in raisin bread. No matter from which raisin you look, all other raisins appear to be moving away.
the question:
The universe is the very boundary of space time, so...
i updated the diagram with credit to Danger. Thanks Danger. That's why I came here, to learn. Thanks again.
Russ - chill out. I'm surprised at the level of hostility here! Relax... seriously it was just a dream. But as you can see my posting here created numerous improvements. I just updated...
how do you know that? have you ever used a hydraulic press? doesn't take much. You bring up an excellent point though (which is why i came here :) Edit: I don't see why xx lbs of water can't depress the piston, depending on the configuration. Thanks for all your replies I do appreciate the...
I'm not claiming to break the first law of thermodynamics - just a simple clean power station that does not pollute. If it's 80% efficient great - I'm not coming in hear saying hey - physics as you know it is wrong.