The number of reactions in pinned support

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The discussion revolves around the determination of the number of reaction forces at a pinned support in a structural analysis context. Participants explore the nature of supports, specifically distinguishing between pinned and roller supports, and the implications for calculating reaction forces in a truss structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the number of reactions is stated as 3, suggesting it should be 8 based on the number of supports.
  • Another participant identifies that there is one pinned support and one roller support, implying a need for clarification on the types of supports present.
  • Several participants express confusion regarding the identification of the roller support, with one participant eventually acknowledging that point B is the roller.
  • There is a query about point D, with participants debating whether it is a roller or pinned support and why reactions at point D are not considered.
  • One participant asserts that point D has no external support, leading to no reaction forces, while another challenges this by pointing out a connection between force members at D.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of the connection at point D, with references to it being a soldered piece of metal or a plate connection.
  • Participants discuss the lack of explicit information in the problem statement regarding the types of supports, raising questions about how to infer this information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of support at point D, with some asserting it has no reactions while others argue there may be a connection that implies support. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the identification of supports and the implications for reaction forces.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the problem statement regarding the explicit identification of supports, leading to assumptions and interpretations that vary among participants. The discussion reflects differing understandings of structural connections and their implications for reaction forces.

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Homework Statement


why the number of reaction is 3 ? How to know that ? shouldn't the total number of reaction = 8 ?

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There are 4 pinned support in the structure . Each pinned support can support vertical and horizontal reactions...
 

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r is the number of external support reactions. Note that one is a pinned support and the other is a roller support.
 
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Where are the roller ? Can you point out ? ?? I didnt see any roller in the structure
 
Where are the roller ? Can you point out ? ?? I didnt see any roller in the structure
 
fonseh said:
Where are the roller ? Can you point out ? ?? I didnt see any roller in the structure
The roller is labelled 'B' , although I do agree that the difference is not that obvious...
 
It's sort of a different way of showing it, but a is a pinned support fixed to the floor, and B is the roller support allowed to slide or roll across the floor. Look carefully at each and compare the difference.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
It's sort of a different way of showing it, but a is a pinned support fixed to the floor, and B is the roller support allowed to slide or roll across the floor. Look carefully at each and compare the difference.
ok , i accept that the B is roller , then how about D ? Is it a roller or pinned support ? Why we don't have to consider the reactions at part D ?
 
fonseh said:
ok , i accept that the B is roller , then how about D ? Is it a roller or pinned support ? Why we don't have to consider the reactions at part D ?

A is a pin support, at D there is nothing supporting it (restricting it from moving) so there are no reaction forces.
 
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sakonpure6 said:
D there is nothing supporting it
How do we know that ? There's something connecting 2 force members together at D , right ? So , it must be pinned or roller or other supporting parts , right ? Why you said there's no support there ?
 
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How

How do we know that ? There's something connecting 2 force members together at D , right ? So , it must be pinned or roller or other supporting parts , right ? Why you said there's no support there ?

By support, I mean fixed to a medium like Earth. Here, the "cap" on point D is just to connect the truss members together. On a free body diagram, there won't be any external support reactions
 
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sakonpure6 said:
"cap" on point D
What do you mean ?
 
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sakonpure6 said:
Basically a piece of metal is soldered to to help connect members AD and CD
ok , understand . But , how do you know that ? It's not stated in the question . And the author also doesn't stated that the B is a roller , how do we know that ?
 
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fonseh said:
ok , understand . But , how do you know that ? It's not stated in the question . And the author also doesn't stated that the B is a roller , how do we know that ?

Again , there is nothing externally connected at point D , so no external reaction forces

Usually, the author should state what is a pin/roller support...but it comes with practice.
 
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