Confused by the behavior of sqrt(z^2+1)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of the function ##\sqrt{z^2 + 1}## in the context of complex analysis, particularly focusing on branch cuts and discontinuities. Participants explore the implications of the function's definition and its behavior as the variable z traverses the complex plane.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that ##(i, i\infty)## refers to the vertical line along the imaginary axis in the complex plane.
  • There is a question about how this vertical line leads to the values -it and it, and how to find the discontinuities of ##\sqrt{1 + z^2}##.
  • One participant attempts to reconstruct the reasoning behind the discontinuities of ##\sqrt{z}## as z moves counterclockwise, discussing the principal value and the behavior of the argument as it crosses certain angles.
  • Another participant explains that ##\sqrt{z^2 + 1}## will have discontinuities where ##z^2 + 1## is a negative real number, specifically when z is an imaginary number with absolute value greater than 1.
  • There are multiple mentions of how the square root function jumps between positive and negative imaginary values when crossing specific lines in the complex plane.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of winding around points in the complex plane and how this affects the values of the square root function, noting that branch cuts are used to prevent certain behaviors.
  • Corrections are made to LaTeX formatting in some posts, indicating a collaborative effort to present mathematical expressions clearly.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the behavior of the square root function in complex analysis, with some points of clarification but no consensus on the overall interpretation of the discontinuities and branch cuts.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the participants' understanding of branch cuts and the definitions referenced in the original problem, as well as the dependence on the interpretation of complex logarithms.

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(mentor note: this is a homework problem with a solution that the OP would like to understand better)

In Taylor's Complex Variables,

Example 1.4.10
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Can someone help me understand this? I don't know what they mean by (i, i inf), or how they got it and -it
 

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##(i, i\infty)## is the vertical line in the complex plane along the imaginary axis from ##i## upward to ##i\infty##.
 
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##(i, i\infty)## is the vertical line in the complex plane along the imaginary axis from ##i## upward to ##i\infty##.
I see - how does that lead to -it and it? or rather how do you find the discontinuities of sqrt(1 + z^2)?
 
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OK, I'm a little rusty on branch cuts and complex analysis but let me try to reconstruct what that answer is saying. Unfortunately I don't have whatever definition they refer to in terms of the log function.

First, what are they saying about ##\sqrt{z}## as z goes counterclockwise? ##\sqrt{z}## is a solution w to ##w^2 = z = re^{i\theta}## so ##\sqrt z = \sqrt r e^{i(\theta/2)}##. If ##\theta## is just under ##\pi##, ##\theta = \pi - \epsilon##, then we choose as the principal value for ##\sqrt z## the solution with argument, i.e. phase, ##(\pi/2) - (\epsilon/2)##. That makes it a value just to the right of the positive imaginary axis.

But as we increase the angle to something above ##\pi## to ##\theta = \pi + \epsilon##, dividing that by two would give an argument for ##\sqrt z## of just over ##\pi/2##. We choose instead to use the equivalent angle ##\theta = \pi + \epsilon - 2\pi = -\pi + \epsilon##. As a result, the argument of ##\sqrt z## is ##-(\pi/2) + (\epsilon/2)## and the square root is just to the right of the negative imaginary axis.

This accounts for the sentence in the solution "The function ##\sqrt z## jumps from values on the positive imaginary axis to their negatives as z crosses this line [the negative real axis] in the counterclockwise direction".

##\sqrt z## has a discontinuity when z crosses that line, when z goes from a negative real number with a small positive imaginary part to one with a small negative imaginary part. The cut line is where z is a negative real number. So ##\sqrt {z^2 + 1}## is going to have a jump where ##(z^2 + 1)## does that, where ##z^2 + 1## is a negative real number.

##z^2 + 1## has real values ##< 0## when ##z^2 < -1## which means z is an imaginary number ##i \alpha## with either ##\alpha > 1## or ##\alpha < -1##. So the cut lines for ##\sqrt{z^2 + 1}## are those locations on the imaginary axis, the part going from i up and from -i down. As before, when you cross those lines, the square root jumps from values with positive imaginary parts and values with negative imaginary parts.
 
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One thing that may help is considering this other way of seeing what happens when you wind once, twice around ( Sorry if this is what you did)

## \sqrt {e^{i\theta}}=e^{i(\theta/2)} \sqrt{e^(i(\theta +2\pi)}= e^ (i(\theta/2+ \pi)}= e^{(\theta/2)} e^{i\pi} = -e^{i\theta/2}##

So that the square root changes sine when you wind around a second time. The branch cut is intended to prevent that from happening, i.e., to prevent a curve having that property. If you remove the x-axis in above case, no curve will wind twice around.
Notice that if you go around a third time you return to the original value of the square root. In some cases , like that of Logz , you will never return to your initial value. For n-th root, you go around n times.
 
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WWGD said:
One thing that may help is considering this other way of seeing what happens when you wind once, twice around ( Sorry if this is what you did)

$$ \sqrt{e^{(i\theta)}}=e^{i(\theta/2)} \sqrt{e^{(i(\theta +2\pi)}}= e^{(i(\theta/2+ \pi)}= e^{i\theta/2} e^{i\pi} = e^{-i\theta/2} $$

So that the square root changes sine when you wind around a second time. The branch cut is intended to prevent that from happening, i.e., to prevent a curve having that property. If you remove the x-axis in above case, no curve will wind twice around.
Notice that if you go around a third time you return to the original value of the square root. In some cases , like that of Logz , you will never return to your initial value. For n-th root, you go around n times.
I just corrected the LaTeX mistakes.
 
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RPinPA said:
OK, I'm a little rusty on branch cuts and complex analysis but let me try to reconstruct what that answer is saying. Unfortunately I don't have whatever definition they refer to in terms of the log function.

First, what are they saying about ##\sqrt{z}## as z goes counterclockwise? ##\sqrt{z}## is a solution w to ##w^2 = z = re^{i\theta}## so ##\sqrt z = \sqrt r e^{i(\theta/2)}##. If ##\theta## is just under ##\pi##, ##\theta = \pi - \epsilon##, then we choose as the principal value for ##\sqrt z## the solution with argument, i.e. phase, ##(\pi/2) - (\epsilon/2)##. That makes it a value just to the right of the positive imaginary axis.

But as we increase the angle to something above ##\pi## to ##\theta = \pi + \epsilon##, dividing that by two would give an argument for ##\sqrt z## of just over ##\pi/2##. We choose instead to use the equivalent angle ##\theta = \pi + \epsilon - 2\pi = -\pi + \epsilon##. As a result, the argument of ##\sqrt z## is ##-(\pi/2) + (\epsilon/2)## and the square root is just to the right of the negative imaginary axis.

This accounts for the sentence in the solution "The function ##\sqrt z## jumps from values on the positive imaginary axis to their negatives as z crosses this line [the negative real axis] in the counterclockwise direction".

##\sqrt z## has a discontinuity when z crosses that line, when z goes from a negative real number with a small positive imaginary part to one with a small negative imaginary part. The cut line is where z is a negative real number. So ##\sqrt {z^2 + 1}## is going to have a jump where ##(z^2 + 1)## does that, where ##z^2 + 1## is a negative real number.

##z^2 + 1## has real values ##< 0## when ##z^2 < -1## which means z is an imaginary number ##i \alpha## with either ##\alpha > 1## or ##\alpha < -1##. So the cut lines for ##\sqrt{z^2 + 1}## are those locations on the imaginary axis, the part going from i up and from -i down. As before, when you cross those lines, the square root jumps from values with positive imaginary parts and values with negative imaginary parts.
nrqed said:
I just corrected the LaTeX mistakes.
Thanks and sorry, I was just leaving the coffee shop and did not have internet access till just now.
 

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