Detection of subterranean water

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The discussion revolves around methods for detecting subterranean water, contrasting traditional practices like water divining with scientific techniques. Participants explore various geophysical methods, their effectiveness, and the limitations of different approaches in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that water divining lacks scientific basis and inquire about purely scientific methods for detecting underground water.
  • A mobile NMR geophysical tomograph is mentioned as a tool that can discover underground water and measure characteristics such as depth and quantity, with exploration depths reaching up to 200 m.
  • Others discuss the effectiveness of Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) and resistivity surveys, noting that GPR may only be effective to a few tens of meters and resistivity surveys may only detect saline water in porous rocks.
  • Some participants highlight the importance of local geological knowledge and landscape reading in groundwater detection, suggesting that experienced observers may have better success than methods like water divining.
  • There are mentions of electromagnetic resistivity methods being widely applicable, but the relationship between electric conductivity and hydraulic conductivity is complex and varies by region.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of GPR in detecting water, particularly regarding the smooth transition between saturated and unsaturated zones, which complicates the interpretation of results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of skepticism towards traditional methods like water divining and interest in scientific approaches, but there is no consensus on the effectiveness or superiority of any specific method. Multiple competing views on the reliability and applicability of various detection techniques remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on local geological conditions, the complexity of interpreting geophysical data, and the unresolved nature of certain claims regarding the effectiveness of specific methods.

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Water divining is the common method used to detect an underground source of water. This has no scientific basis.
Are there purely scientific methods for detecting subterranean water?
 
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A mobile NMR geophysical tomograph was constructed that allows to discover underground water and to measure the characteristics of water layer (depth, amount of mobile water). The device allows to estimate and to map the resources of underground water deposits thus providing supplement for traditional hydrogeological methods. The depth of exploration is down to 120 m. The depth of water-bearing layer detection is down to 200 m.
Also new, developed by the Ari Force, EarthRadar uses low power Radio Frequency (RF) energy to interrogate subsurface geology with a high degree of accuracy at depths of hundreds of feet. The sensor with its integrated global positioning system can be operated from any ground-based moving platform, such as a tractor. An airborne platform can also be developed to negotiate rough terrain.
 
ion said:
Water divining is the common method used to detect an underground source of water. This has no scientific basis.
Are there purely scientific methods for detecting subterranean water?

Science just does not accept what some can sense and most animals can sense, but cannot be measured with available instruments.

If water, or geological disturbances disturb say a field of some sort to which some are senstive to, what is un-scientific about it. Further the depth of water can also be determined by finding secondary distarbances and the distance these are away from the main disturbance gives the depth. Reminds me very much of a wave function and slit experiment - sound very scietific to me.

Why do animals sense an earthquake before it strikes. It is a fact that in Sri Lanka national parks the animals fled the low lying areas before the Tsunami struck.
 
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Drilling, detection of natural springs, GPR, resistivity surveys, etc. GPR may be good only to a few tens of meters depth and resistivity surveys may only detect water with significant salinity in a rock of moderate to large porosity.
 
hypatia said:
A mobile NMR geophysical tomograph was constructed that allows to discover underground water and to measure the characteristics of water layer (depth, amount of mobile water). The device allows to estimate and to map the resources of underground water deposits thus providing supplement for traditional hydrogeological methods. The depth of exploration is down to 120 m. The depth of water-bearing layer detection is down to 200 m.
Also new, developed by the Ari Force, EarthRadar uses low power Radio Frequency (RF) energy to interrogate subsurface geology with a high degree of accuracy at depths of hundreds of feet. The sensor with its integrated global positioning system can be operated from any ground-based moving platform, such as a tractor. An airborne platform can also be developed to negotiate rough terrain.

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DrClapeyron said:
Drilling, detection of natural springs, GPR, resistivity surveys, etc. GPR may be good only to a few tens of meters depth and resistivity surveys may only detect water with significant salinity in a rock of moderate to large porosity.

Electromagnetic resistivity methods are perhaps the most widely applicable methods in groundwater detection. The relationship between electric conductivity (the reciprocal of resistivity) and hydraulic conductivity is by no means simple and will vary from region to region depending on the geology. Of course, if you're looking for water, a high hydraulic conductivity is key, in fact it is more important than porosity in an aquifer system in terms of yielding water. (Clay for example is an extremely porous rock and yet has very low hydraulic conductivity and is thus an unsuitable aquifer -- aka an "aquitard".) Some local, region specific knowledge of geology and geophysics is essential for the application of geophysical techniques to successful groundwater detection.

Incidentally, a good eye for reading than landscape can be of great use in choosing a suitable well site. Where, for example, plants grow greenest may well be along a transmissive fault line; and commonsense suggests you'd probably have more luck with a well at the base of a valley than at the top of a ridge. Indeed, it has been said that good water divining is done more so by experienced readers of the landscape than by their mystical wooden trembling stick.

GPR (ground penetrating radar) is limited as a tool for detecting water, really. It can give a nice image of the water table if you have a very sharp water table to completely unsaturated zone transition in the rock, but this is a rare occurrence, normally there is a very smooth transition from fully unsaturated ground to fully saturated ground so that a water table does not create a distinct interface. (Incidentally, the definition of the water table is the level at which water is at atmospheric pressure -- below the water table the rock will be fully saturated (unless you have a perched water table where the water rests on a heterogeneity) and slightly above you can get a zone of full saturation where water is below atmospheric pressure but held up by capillary forces -- contrary to common misperception you can and do get water above the "water table"!.) To appreciate that the interface you see in the GPR image actually is the water table you'd probably need to know to expect it in advance, in which case you're not really making an interesting discovery when you see it other than how deep you have to dig to reach the water.
 

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