Which wave will generate more heat?

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The discussion revolves around which waveform—sine, square, triangle, sawtooth, or a modified sawtooth—would generate more heat when used as current input through a resistor. The conversation explores the relationship between waveform characteristics and heat generation, particularly focusing on RMS values and power dissipation.

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  • One participant suggests that the square wave generates more heat due to its higher RMS value compared to other waveforms.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of considering the RMS value of the waveforms in relation to power dissipation in a resistor.
  • A participant notes that the instantaneous power delivered to the resistor is proportional to the square of the current, reinforcing the idea that square waves may produce higher average power.
  • There is a query about whether the amplitudes of all the waveforms are the same, which is confirmed by another participant.
  • Some participants discuss the relevance of frequency, with one stating that frequency does not affect the average of i² for the sine wave.
  • A later post introduces a speculative idea about creating a sawtooth laser beam by superimposing different frequencies, leading to a side discussion about laser operation and modulation.

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Participants generally agree that the square wave is likely to generate more heat due to its higher RMS value, but there are unresolved questions regarding the conditions under which this conclusion holds, such as amplitude and frequency considerations. The discussion also includes speculative ideas that diverge from the main topic.

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Limitations include assumptions about equal amplitudes and the same frequency for all waveforms, which are necessary for the comparisons made. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the overall conclusions.

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This discussion may be useful for students or practitioners interested in electrical engineering, particularly in understanding the relationship between waveform characteristics and power dissipation in resistive loads.

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Suppose there are some waveforms to be used as current input: i)sine wave ii)square wave iii) triangle wave iv)sawtooth wave and v)sawtooth wave with both the cycles(+ve half cycle and -ve half cycle) in positive Y axis. Which wave will generate more heat?

Actually, I faced this question in a recent examination. Though I ansewered (v), now I think the right answer would be square wave, as it grabs the maximum magnitude for more duration of time than the others. Am I right?

Thanks.
 
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So, from the comparison, I see that square wave has the higher value than any other rotating wave. DC shifted square wave has even higher value as it should have.
 
samieee said:
So, from the comparison, I see that square wave has the higher value than any other rotating wave. DC shifted square wave has even higher value as it should have.
Right, so your intuition with regards to the square wave was spot on.

The instantaneous power delivered to the resistor is ##p(t) = R i(t)^2##. If you try to imagine the graph of ##p(t)## for your waveforms, it should confirm your idea of why its average value is highest in the case of the square wave.
 
samieee said:
Suppose there are some waveforms to be used as current input: i)sine wave ii)square wave iii) triangle wave iv)sawtooth wave and v)sawtooth wave with both the cycles(+ve half cycle and -ve half cycle) in positive Y axis. Which wave will generate more heat?
This question cannot really be answered as stated here. Are the amplitudes of all the waves supposed to be the same? That needs to be specified.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Are the amplitudes of all the waves supposed to be the same? That needs to be specified.

Yes, amplitudes of all the waves are same.
 
Okay. So yes, it is the square wave. As milesyoung said, you need to consider i^2 R.
 
Also assuming the loads are the same.
 
All the signals have the same frequency?
 
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Windadct said:
Also assuming the loads are the same.
Yes.

KHMOU YOUSSEF said:
All the signals have the same frequency?
That does not matter. The average of i2 is the same no matter what the frequency is. Just for example, for a sine wave, it is (1/2) the square of the amplitude, independent of the frequency.
 
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The real question is could you make a saw tooth laser beam if you super imposed different frequencies on top of each other. Not sure how this could be accomplished but its an interesting thought.
 
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Huh? Lasers operate at one frequency, i.e perfect sine wave oscillation, unless you mean to modulate the laser?
 
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samieee said:
Suppose there are some waveforms to be used as current input: i)sine wave ii)square wave iii) triangle wave iv)sawtooth wave and v)sawtooth wave with both the cycles(+ve half cycle and -ve half cycle) in positive Y axis. Which wave will generate more heat?
That's the beauty of the RMS value, it directly relates to the heating value (in a resistive load). :smile:
 
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Windadct said:
Huh? Lasers operate at one frequency, i.e perfect sine wave oscillation, unless you mean to modulate the laser?
Wouldn't frequency-doubling lasers allow you to generate some coherent harmonics?
 
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or you could modulate the injection current to get a sawtooth amplitude at some frequency << lasing frequency
 

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