Proving Symmetry of Solutions in 1D Potential

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The discussion centers on the symmetry properties of solutions to the Schrödinger equation in one-dimensional potentials, particularly focusing on whether solutions are always symmetric or antisymmetric when the potential is symmetric. Participants explore the implications of these symmetries, degeneracies in eigenstates, and the nature of superpositions of solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that solutions to the Schrödinger equation are symmetric or antisymmetric if the potential is symmetric (V(x) = V(-x).
  • One participant suggests using parity operators to demonstrate this symmetry, indicating that flipping the signs on x-coordinates imposes conditions on the wave function.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of "degenerated" eigenstates and discusses conditions under which degeneracies arise, mentioning the role of commuting observables.
  • Some participants argue that a superposition of a symmetric and an antisymmetric solution does not need to be either, challenging the notion that solutions must conform to these symmetries.
  • There is a discussion about whether the focus is on solutions of the Schrödinger equation or eigenstates of the Hamiltonian operator, with implications for the nature of superpositions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether solutions must always be symmetric or antisymmetric, with some arguing for the necessity of these conditions under symmetric potentials, while others contest this by introducing the concept of superpositions and degeneracies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the symmetry of solutions may depend on the specific symmetries of the forces in the system and the nature of the Hamiltonian. There are also references to the mathematical implications of commuting operators and the conditions under which degeneracies occur.

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Hi!

I read that in an 1D potential, the solution for the Schrödinger equation is always either symmetric or antisymmetric if the potential is a symmetric function: V(x) = V(-x).

How can I proof this?

Thanks, for ur answers!
 
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The proof for this is typically done using parity operators. If your hamiltonian is given by
[tex]\mathcal{H} = \hat{p}^2/2m + V(\hat{x})[/tex]
Write down the time-independent Schrödinger equation, then flip the signs on all the x-coordinates and see what this imposes on the wave function.

If you want a better discussion of this, check out Chapter 4 of Sakurai.
 
Great! Thanks for this answer!
 
I have another question to the same problem: In which situation can the eigenstates be degenerated?
 
I'm not familiar with the word "degenerated". If you mean "having degenerate eigenstates", degeneracies usually arise when you have another observable [tex]\mathcal{O}[/tex] such that [tex]\left [ \mathcal{H}, \mathcal{O} \right ] - 0[/tex]. This implies that an eigenstate of the hamiltonian is also an eigenstate of your new observable (I leave it to you to figure out why).

What frequently happens in this case is that there are multiple values of [tex]\mathcal{O}[/tex] for a given energy eigenvalue, and so you end up with degeneracies in the energy spectrum.

Of course, sometimes things end up being more degenerate than they should be. For example, in hydrogen, the energy levels don't depend on the [tex]\ell[/tex] quantum number, although in general a spherically symmetric potential leads to an [tex]\ell[/tex] dependent energy spectrum. This is called an "accidental degeneracy". In the case of the hydrogen atom, the degeneracy arises because the angular momentum operators aren't the only ones that commute with the hamiltonian, and the underlying group symmetry of the hydrogen hamiltonian is SO(4).
 
A superposition of solutions is also a solution. A superposition of a symmetric and an antisymmetric solution is neither symmetric nor antisymmetric. Therefore, the solution does NOT need to be either symmetric or antisymmetric.
 
Maethros,

The solution is not always symmetric or antisymmetric !
It depends on the symmetries of the forces in the system.
If the potential is symmetric (V(-x)=V(x)), the the hamiltonian cumutes with the inversion operator (P), and the operators H and P share a common basis of eigenvectors.

Read about the consequence of [A,B]=0, apply that to your case here: [H,P]=0 .
 
Are we talking about solutions of the Schrödinger equation, or about eigenstates of the Hamiltonian operator? A superposition of solutions is a solution, whereas a superposition of eigenstates is NOT an eigenstate.
 

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