Would This Be Deadly Radiation?

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The discussion centers around the potential radiation effects of particles emitted from Io, which form a plasma torus around Jupiter. Participants explore whether these particles, traveling at 74 km/s, would require radiation shielding for a manned spacecraft within the torus, considering various elements such as sulfur, oxygen, sodium, chlorine, nitrogen, hydrogen, and helium.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if particles traveling at 74 km/s would necessitate radiation shielding for a spacecraft, specifically focusing on ionized gases from Io.
  • Another participant suggests that even small rocks at that speed could be dangerous, implying a need for caution.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of calculating the energy of particles in MeV and notes that particle flux is crucial for assessing potential damage to living tissue.
  • It is mentioned that protons at 74 km/s have an energy of only 30 eV, which may not be sufficient to penetrate skin.
  • One participant expresses confidence that larger particles would likely not penetrate the spacecraft's exterior or the crew's skin, suggesting that protection against micrometeorites would suffice.
  • Another participant highlights the relationship between the particles' movement and Jupiter's rotation, noting that they complete a circuit in 15 hours due to the planet's magnetic fields.
  • A participant indicates uncertainty about how to calculate a particle's energy in MeV and the flux area, referencing classical mechanics for energy calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential danger posed by the particles, with some suggesting that shielding may not be necessary while others emphasize the need for calculations to assess risks. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of the particle energies and flux on radiation safety.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about particle interactions, the definitions of radiation types, and the mathematical steps involved in energy calculations.

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Hello; Quick question for anyone who knows a bit about radiation...

So, Io puts out a lot of gas which turns into plasma and forms a torus around Jupiter. Jupiter's magnetic field and spinning causes the plasma to move along the torus at 74 km/s.

Would individual particles like this, traveling at 74 km/s in extreme trace amounts, act as a type of radiation that would necessitate radiation shielding for a manned spacecraft within the torus?

The particles in this case would be ionized sulfur, oxygen, sodium, and chlorine.
For the purposes of a book I'm writing, I'm curious if the effects would be different for any other elements, such as nitrogen, hydrogen, and helium...

This is in general physics, because although the circumstances are astronautical, the question itself has more to do with radiation than astrophysics.

Thanks.
 
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I don't know about radiation, but even a small rock traveling at 74 km/s will take care of all your worries.
 
Just take the particle traveling at 74km/s and find its energy in MeV. It would also depend on the particle flux as to the damage inflicted on living tissue. A low flux area of high MeV alpha particles (i.e., high enough so that it can penetrate the dead skin cell layers) can do as much damage as a high flux area of lower energy beta particles.
 
Wow. Even at 400,000km radius, those particles would complete a circuit (not really an orbit) in 15 hours.
 
74 km/s for protons is only 30 eV. Not energetic enough to penetrate skin.
 
QuantumPion said:
74 km/s for protons is only 30 eV. Not energetic enough to penetrate skin.

Alright, Thank you! A solid, direct answer to my question :smile:

Even larger particles such as entire atoms probably won't be able to penetrate the exterior of the vehicle, never mind the exterior of the vehicle and then the crew's skin.

I think it's safe to assume that anything that can stop micrometeorites would be plenty of protection.

DaveC426913 said:
Wow. Even at 400,000km radius, those particles would complete a circuit (not really an orbit) in 15 hours.

Good observation. That's the rotation period of Jupiter, the particles are pushed along by Jupiter's magnetic fields; as such, they match Jupiter's rotation rate. Much like a MPD engine, a railgun, or a coilgun.

daveb said:
Just take the particle traveling at 74km/s and find its energy in MeV. It would also depend on the particle flux as to the damage inflicted on living tissue. A low flux area of high MeV alpha particles (i.e., high enough so that it can penetrate the dead skin cell layers) can do as much damage as a high flux area of lower energy beta particles.

That would be great advice... If I knew how to find a particle's energy in MeV, never mind finding the flux area...
 
MattRob said:
That would be great advice... If I knew how to find a particle's energy in MeV, never mind finding the flux area...

In the classical sense (since 74km/s isn't relativistic), E = 1/2 mv2, then convert J to eV.
 

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