Working out experimental periodic time from a wieghted spring in s.h.m

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The discussion revolves around an experiment involving a spring in simple harmonic motion (s.h.m.), where weights are added to measure spring displacement and determine the spring constant. The participants are also tasked with calculating the experimental periodic time based on oscillation data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the spring constant and periodic time, with some confusion about the equation involving π. There are inquiries about the nature of oscillations and how to interpret the results from the experiment.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the equations and units involved. There is ongoing exploration of the difference between theoretical and experimental periodic time, with participants questioning the consistency of the spring constant values obtained from the experiment.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes specific measurements and calculations related to the spring's behavior under varying weights. There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and implications of the terms used in the context of the experiment.

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Homework Statement


A spring hanging from a lab stand has an equilibrium position of 66mm.
Weights are added in 50g increments from 100g upto 250g, record the spring displacement and work out the spring constant.

Part 2:
With each mass in turn pull them down 20mm from their equilibrium point and record the avergae time taken to complete 20 oscillations. Plot the reults of mass against experimental periodic time and also against periodic time squared.



Homework Equations



For spring constant : k=mg/x
Where m= mass, g= gravity, x= spring displacement

For periodic time: T = 2p √m/k



The Attempt at a Solution



The first part I am sure I've done correctly,

Number Mass (kg) Spring displacement (m) Spring constant (N/m)
1 0.05 0 n/a
2 0.1 0.0195 50.31
3 0.15 0.039 37.73
4 0.2 0.061 32.16
5 0.25 0.081 30.28

Im struggling with working out periodic time. The equation I've been given has 2p in it. What is p representing?

Any help on this will be very appreciated as its driving me mad.
thanks
 
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hi shaun_598! welcome to pf! :smile:
shaun_598 said:
For periodic time: T = 2p √m/k

The equation I've been given has 2p in it. What is p representing?

π (pi) :wink:

(2π ≈ 360°)
 


tiny-tim said:
hi shaun_598! welcome to pf! :smile:π (pi) :wink:

(2π ≈ 360°)

Thank you, that a massive help :smile:

So T = 2π x √m/k

So using table in the question
100g mass and 50.31N/m constant

T= 2π x √0.1/50.31
= 0.28 (Not sure what units this should be? Seconds?)

Have i done this correctly?

thanks
 
yup, looks fine! :smile:

(and N/m is an SI measurement, so so long as everything else is also SI, the result will be too, so yes, it's in seconds :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:
yup, looks fine! :smile:

(and N/m is an SI measurement, so so long as everything else is also SI, the result will be too, so yes, it's in seconds :wink:)

Thank you very much :smile:
 
What I've worked out here is theoretical periodic time?

Im also asked to work out experimental periodic time.
Take the 100g mass. It took an average of 8.5 seconds to complete 20 oscillations.
One oscialltion is a complete up and down so as i undertsand it this is one period.
So is this just as simple as 8.5/20
 
shaun_598 said:
One oscialltion is a complete up and down so as i undertsand it this is one period.
So is this just as simple as 8.5/20

by "up and down" do you mean "up and down left and up and down right" (one complete cycle)?

if so, yes 8.5/20 s :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
by "up and down" do you mean "up and down left and up and down right" (one complete cycle)?

if so, yes 8.5/20 s :smile:

I mean if you pull on the spring and start when its at the bottom of its travel, wait for it to got to extent of of its travel the oppoisite way and come back to its bottom travel. Thats what we said was one oscialltion.
 
Why is the spring constant not a constant value in your table as expected? :confused:
 
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shaun_598 said:
I mean if you pull on the spring and start when its at the bottom of its travel, wait for it to got to extent of of its travel the oppoisite way and come back to its bottom travel. Thats what we said was one oscialltion.

oh yes, that's right :smile:

(i was thinking it was a pendulum :rolleyes:)
 
  • #11
MrWarlock616 said:
Why is the spring constant not a constant value in your table as expected? :confused:

Im not sure about that yet, I am looking into it. Its what the content of my report will be focused on.
Anyone have any ideas?
 

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