How do gears provide a mechanical advantage?

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The discussion centers on the concept of mechanical advantage provided by gears, exploring the underlying physics and theory. Participants examine how gears can allow a small force to move heavy objects, such as gates, and the principles that govern this phenomenon.

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  • One participant questions how gears enable a small force to operate heavy gates, seeking an explanation of the physics involved.
  • Another participant references an article explaining that gears amplify torque by making the input gear's rotations translate into a fraction of the output gear's rotations, thus providing mechanical advantage.
  • Some participants compare gears to levers, suggesting that they allow for a trade-off between force and distance, with one example illustrating that a simple gear can output less force but more velocity.
  • A participant emphasizes the law of conservation of energy, explaining that the work done on gears must remain consistent, leading to the relationship between the radii of the cogs and the forces applied.
  • There is a challenge regarding the application of the conservation of energy principle, with one participant expressing confusion over the equations presented and questioning the equivalence of work done on different cogs.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of gears and their relationship to levers and energy conservation. There is no consensus on the specific equations and their interpretations, indicating ongoing debate and confusion regarding the concepts discussed.

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Some assumptions about the definitions of mechanical advantage and the application of conservation laws are not fully explored, leading to potential misunderstandings in the mathematical relationships presented.

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For example in this video at 5:00:


They show by turning the gear with little force allows for one to move a VERY HEAVY gate to operate the sea locks.

I don't understand how this is possible. Could anyone please explain the physics/theory behind this?

Thanks!
 
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Have you read this article? It explains what mechanical advantage is fairly well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_advantage

The short version is that the gears amplify the torque because they make each turn of the input gear equal a fraction of a turn on the output gear. So turning one gear 10 turns may only get you 1 turn on the other, which amplifies the torque.

The basic mechanism used for mechanical advantage is the Lever. From the linked article:

The lever is a movable bar that pivots on a fulcrum attached to or positioned on or across a fixed point. The lever operates by applying forces at different distances from the fulcrum, or pivot.

As the lever pivots on the fulcrum, points farther from this pivot move faster than points closer to the pivot. The power into and out of the lever must be the same, so forces applied to points farther from the pivot must be less than when applied to points closer in.

It boils down to the fact that when one end of the lever moves a shorter distance in the same time, the force must increase for the power to remain the same. Same with the gears.
 
As Drakkith said, gears are basically levers that can operate continuously. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever

They allow you to trade distance for force, or the other way around. For example this simple gear outputs less force, but more velocity than goes in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyii6QBLtw

Here the lever mechanism is indicated as a red line:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufk6HVWdSzE
 
There is a law of "conservation of energy", not "conservation of force" and all "mechanical advantage" laws are based on that. If you have a cog of radius R m and turn it through on complete turn, 2\pi radians, by applying force F Newtons, then its surface has moved through a distance of 2\pi R m and so you have done 2\pi RF Joules work on it.

If a chain or other ratcheting mechanism causes another cog, of radius r, to turn through the same distance, by "conservation of energy" you have done 2\pi r f= 2\pi RF Joules of work on it also and so must have applied f= (2\pi RF)/(2\pi r)= (R/r)F Newtons force. "R/r" is the "mechanical advantage".
 
HallsofIvy said:
There is a law of "conservation of energy", not "conservation of force" and all "mechanical advantage" laws are based on that. If you have a cog of radius R m and turn it through on complete turn, 2\pi radians, by applying force F Newtons, then its surface has moved through a distance of 2\pi R m and so you have done 2\pi RF Joules work on it.

If a chain or other ratcheting mechanism causes another cog, of radius r, to turn through the same distance, by "conservation of energy" you have done 2\pi r f= 2\pi RF Joules of work on it also and so must have applied f= (2\pi RF)/(2\pi r)= (R/r)F Newtons force. "R/r" is the "mechanical advantage".

If the other cog, of radius r, turned through the same distance that the cog with radius R turned, then they must have the same work. Since work is F*d, then they both must have the same force? I am kind of confused by how you equated:

2\pi r f= 2\pi RF

instead of

2\pi R f= 2\pi RF

since they travel the same distance 2\pi R
 

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