Question about temperature and Specific Weight

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of temperature scales, specifically the use of the Rankine scale and its relationship to specific weight calculations in fluid dynamics. Participants explore the implications of using different temperature scales in equations involving pressure and specific weight.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter questions the meaning of the expression 460 + F in the context of calculating specific weight, noting the use of absolute temperature.
  • One participant explains that 460 + F refers to the Rankine scale, which is an absolute temperature scale.
  • Another participant suggests that the Rankine scale is typically associated with British units like lb/ft³, while the Kelvin scale is linked to international units such as kg/m³.
  • A further response clarifies that while the Rankine and Kelvin scales are commonly paired with specific unit systems, the choice of units can vary, and the critical factor is that the temperature scale must be absolute.
  • It is noted that a change of 1 °Ra is equivalent to a change of 1 °F, while a change of 1 Kelvin corresponds to a change of 1 °C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some agreement on the relationship between temperature scales and unit systems, but there is no consensus on the implications of using different scales in specific contexts, leaving the discussion somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between temperature scales and unit systems, as well as the dependence on the definitions of specific weight and the ideal gas constant.

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Hello,

I know there are many different representations of temperature, there's 4, 1) Fahrenheit 2) Kelvin 3) Celsius then there's 4) T = 460 + F

In my fluid dynamics review book To calculate specific weight γ= P(pressure) / (R * T) = lb/ft^3, it explained that T should be absolute temp so I used 2) kelvin, but the book used 4) T = 460+F

Can somebody explain what 460 + F stands for??

Thanks,
Peter
 
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Absolute in this context means any scale for which zero is at absolute zero. 460+F is also known as a Rankine scale.
 
So Rankine scale goes with british units lb/ft^3 and kelvin scale goes with international units like kg/m^3?
 
Not necessarily. Units used will change the R value - it can be calculated to use any combination of mass, length and temperature units (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_constant - see the table on the right). The only important thing is that the temperature scale is absolute (as explained in my previous post).
 
petersun825 said:
So Rankine scale goes with british units lb/ft^3 and kelvin scale goes with international units like kg/m^3?

Generally, yes, you'll see those pairings. Not necessarily just those units--other units will be used besides lbs/ft^3. Fahrenheit is usually used by those that use US Customary units, and we happen to also use lbs, inches/ft, etc, so the pairing is usually natural.

1 °Ra is equivalent to a change of 1 °F. Whereas 1 Kelvin is equal a change of 1 °C.
 

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