What are the units for the Universal Gas Constant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the units for the Universal Gas Constant (R) in the context of applying the ideal gas law to a specific problem involving a compressed air tank. Participants are exploring the derivation of certain values and units used in the calculations, as well as the conversion of temperature to the appropriate scale.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the origin of the values (144 in²/ft²), (1716 ft * lb/slug * °R), and the conversion of temperature from Fahrenheit to Rankine.
  • Another participant suggests that the 144 in²/ft² term is a hint and prompts others to consider what value for R they would use in the formula ρ = p/RT.
  • A participant mentions using 8.314 K⁻¹mol⁻¹ as the gas constant for air but questions its applicability in this context.
  • There is a discussion about the conversion of 70°F to degrees Rankine, with a participant providing the formula °R = °F + 459.67.
  • One participant asks about the result of taking the square root of the term (144 in²/ft²), leading to a response that it would yield 12 in/ft.
  • Another participant lists various alternative units for the Universal Gas Constant, providing a range of values in different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the specific values and their derivations, indicating that multiple views and interpretations exist regarding the application of the ideal gas law and the appropriate units for R. No consensus is reached on the correct approach or values.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working through the implications of unit conversions and the use of the ideal gas law, with some steps and assumptions remaining unresolved. The discussion highlights the complexity of applying the gas law in practical scenarios.

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Homework Statement


Hello,

I am not asking for the answer to an example, rather how the book got some numbers. The problem is an example from the book and shows me the solution but does not show the steps.

Given: The compressed air tank has a volume of .84 ft^3. The temperature is 70 F and the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi (abs).

Find: When the tank is filled with air at a gage pressure of 50 psi, determine the density of the air and the weight of air in the tank.)

Homework Equations


I am told to use the ideal gas law, ρ = p/RT.

The Attempt at a Solution


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Then the book says,

ρ = (50 lb/in2 + 14.7 lb/in2)(144 in2/ft2) / (1716 ft * lb/slug * °R) [(70 + 460) ° R]

So I understand where the (50 lb/in2 + 14.7 lb/in2) is coming from, they are just adding the gage pressure as well as the atmospheric pressure.

BUT, I don't understand where the (144 in2/ft2) came from, as well as the (1716 ft * lb/slug * °R), and [(70+460) °R].

Any help will be appreciated.
 
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I don't understand where the (144 in2/ft2) came from, as well as the (1716 ft * lb/slug * °R), and [(70+460) °R].
The units of that 144 term are a hint.

What value would you have used for R in the formula ##\rho=p/RT## ? You would have probably used a google search to determine R. What name is R known as?

How would you convert 70° F to degrees Rankine to use in your Gas Law formula?
 
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I was going to use 8.314 K-1mol-1 since that is the gas constant for air.

I looked through my textbook and found that °R = °F + 459.67, so I would do 70°F + 460 = °R.

Would I do something with the volume to get the 144? I am not even sure what that number is doing there since the equation just says absolute pressure should be the numerator.
 
What is the result if you take the square root of everything in the brackets here: ##\left( 144\ \dfrac {in^2}{ft^2} \right)##
 
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You would get 12 in/ft.
 
Minh Nguyen said:
I was going to use 8.314 K-1mol-1 since that is the gas constant for air.
Almost.

Choose whichever of the alternative forms best suits you and your data, e.g.,
The Universal Gas Constant - Ru - in alternative Units
  • atm.cm3/(mol.K) : 82.0575
  • atm.ft3/(lbmol.K) : 1.31443
  • atm.ft3/(lbmol.°R) : 0.73024
  • atm.l/(mol.K) : 0.08206
  • bar.cm3/(mol.K) : 83.14472
  • bar.l/(mol.K) : 0.08314472
  • Btu/(lbmol.°R) : 1.9859
  • cal/(mol.K) : 1.9859
  • erg/(mol.K) : 83144720
  • hp.h/(lbmol.°R) : 0.0007805
  • inHg.ft3/(lbmol.°R) : 21.85
  • J/(mol.K) : 8.3144598
  • kJ/(kmol.K) : 8.3144598
  • J/(kmol.K) : 8314.472
  • (kgf/cm2).l/(mol.K) : 0.084784
  • kPa.cm3/(mol.K) : 8314.472
  • kWh/(lbmol.°R) : 0.000582
  • lbf.ft/(lbmol.°R) : 1545.349
  • mmHg.ft3/(lbmol.K) : 999
  • mmHg.ft3/(lbmol.°R) : 555
  • mmHg.l/(mol.K) : 62.364
  • Pa.m3/(mol.K) : 8.314472
  • psf.ft3/(lbmol.°R) : 1545.349
  • psi.ft3/(lbmol.°R) : 10.73
  • Torr.cm3/(mol.K) : 62364
from http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/individual-universal-gas-constant-d_588.html
 
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