Validity of integral involving delta function

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The discussion revolves around the validity and evaluation of the integral involving the Dirac delta function and the Heaviside step function, specifically the integral ∫_{-1}^{1} \delta(x) \Theta(x) \mathrm{d}x. Participants explore the implications of using different representations of these functions and the convergence of the integral under various conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the integral ∫_{-1}^{1} \delta(x) \Theta(x) \mathrm{d}x is well-defined and what it evaluates to, suggesting the use of sequences f_k and g_k that converge to \delta(x) and \Theta(x), respectively.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral may be related to translation, prompting a request for clarification on this point.
  • A participant notes that the Heaviside function alters the evaluation of the integral and provides context by linking it to a differential equation they are attempting to solve.
  • Several participants discuss the relationship between the delta function and the Heaviside function, with one stating that \delta \cdot H = \frac{1}{2}H and providing a calculation that leads to an evaluation of 1/2 under certain conditions.
  • There is a challenge to the assertion that \delta \cdot H = \frac{1}{2}H, with some participants expressing a preference for the alternative \frac{1}{2}\delta and seeking proofs for these claims.
  • One participant emphasizes that the Dirac delta function is not a true function but a distribution, discussing its properties and definitions.
  • A later post asserts that the problem is ill-defined, suggesting that different representations of the delta function lead to different evaluations depending on the context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the integral and the relationship between the Dirac delta function and the Heaviside function. There is no consensus on the validity of the integral or the implications of using different representations of the functions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the integral's evaluation may depend on the specific representations chosen for the delta and Heaviside functions, as well as the conditions under which the integral is considered. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the definitions of the functions involved.

SarthakC
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Hi,

Is the following integral well defined? If it is, then what does it evaluate to?

\int_{-1}^{1} \delta(x) \Theta(x) \mathrm{d}x

where \delta(x) is the dirac delta function, and \Theta(x) is the the Heaviside step function.

What about if I choose two functions f_k and g_k, which are such that f_k \rightarrow \delta(x) and g_k \rightarrow \Theta(x)? Will this integral converge? I understand that if i choose f_k and g_k such that f_k = g'_k then this integral will evaluate to 1/2, but what if i choose other independent representation of these functions?
 
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It isn't really translation. the Theta function makes a reasonable difference. And I'm evaluatig both funcitons without any delay. Could you elaborate how it is a case of translation?

The integral is coming about in my attempts to solve a differential equation of a particular form (I had asked a question about this earlier: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=760961). In trying to evaluate a some boundary conditions of this equation I'm ending up evaluating integrals of this form.
 
$$\int_{-1}^1 \Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx - \int_{-\infty}^1\Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx - \int_1^\infty \Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx$$
 
Simon Bridge said:
$$\int_{-1}^1 \Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx - \int_{-\infty}^1\Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx - \int_1^\infty \Theta(x)\delta(x)\; dx$$

Um.. Could you elaborate on how this helps?
 
IIRC, we have ##\delta \cdot H = \frac{1}{2}H##, so
##\int_{-1}^{1} \delta(x)\, H(x) \, \phi(x)\, dx = \int_{-1}^{1}\frac{1}{2}H(x) \, \phi(x) = \frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}\phi(x)\, dx##
for any test function ##\phi \in \mathcal{D}(-1,1)##. Set ##\phi(x)=1## and we get 1/2.
 
pwsnafu said:
IIRC, we have ##\delta \cdot H = \frac{1}{2}H##

And how do you prove this statement? I would be more inclined to believe it to be ##\frac{1}{2}\delta##, instead. But i can't prove that either.
 
SarthakC said:
And how do you prove this statement? I would be more inclined to believe it to be ##\frac{1}{2}\delta##, instead. But i can't prove that either.

Doh! You're right it would be ##\frac{1}{2}\delta## wouldn't it?
supp##(\delta\cdot H)## = supp##(\delta)\cdot##supp(H) ##=\{0\}##, so it can't be Heaviside.

When I go to uni on Monday I'll look it up for you.
 
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The \delta "function" is NOT a true function. It is a "distribution" or "generalized function". Those are defined as operators on functions. Specifically, if f is any function defined on a closed and bounded measurable set that includes "0" then \delta(f)= f(0). Given a "regular function, g(x), we can define a corresponding generalized function using and integral- the generalized function G is given by G(f)= \int_{-\infty}^{\infy}f(t)f(t)dt. But most generalized functions, including the "\delta function" cannot be written that way. The Polish mathematician, Mikuzinski, showed how to "construct" the generalized functions from regular functions in much the way the real numbers can be "constructed" from the rational numbers using equivalence classes of sequences.
 
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Okay it is indeed ##\frac{1}{2}\delta##. A proof sketch follows:

Let ##\rho_n(x)## be a delta sequence. Then define
##H(x) = \int_{-\infty}^x \rho_n(t) \, dt##.
We see that ##\lim_{n\to\infty}H^2_n = H## and hence
##\lim_{n\to\infty} 2 H_n(x) \rho_n(x) = \delta(x)##.
 
  • #12
The problem is ill-defined. Considering such well-defined “deformations” of the expression under integral as \delta(x-x_0) \Theta(x),\ x\in{\mathbb R}\setminus\{0\}, we’ll obtain 0 for negative x0 and \delta(x-x_0) for positive x0.
 

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