Help, first Brillouin zone and K points

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the determination of k-point layouts in the first Brillouin zone (BZ) for different lattice structures, particularly focusing on square and triangular lattices. Participants explore the implications of lattice periodicity and the effects of finite versus infinite crystal sizes on k-point distributions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the number of k points in the first BZ is determined by the number of lattice sites, with examples given for square lattices.
  • It is suggested that the layout of k points is influenced by the periodicity of the lattice and the size and shape of the crystal.
  • One participant describes the construction of the first BZ for a 2D triangular lattice as resulting in a regular hexagon in k-space.
  • Another participant questions whether k points for a triangular lattice would also form a triangular lattice in the first BZ, indicating a need for clarification on finite-sized crystals.
  • Some participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of finite-sized lattices and the nature of k-point distributions in such cases.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used, with one participant asserting that a triangular lattice cannot exist in 2D, suggesting that it should be referred to as a parallelogram lattice instead, while another defends the common use of the term "triangular lattice" in solid state physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology and characteristics of k-point distributions in finite versus infinite lattices. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of triangular lattices in 2D and the implications of lattice size on k-point arrangements.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about lattice shapes and the definitions of terms like "triangular lattice" versus "parallelogram lattice." The implications of periodic boundary conditions and the density of k-point distributions are also noted but not resolved.

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As it's said, the number of k point in a first Brillouin zone is determined by the number of lattice sites. For exmaple, a 2-d n by m square lattice, its 1st BZ contains m by n k values and I assume these k values are equally separated.

My question is that how the layout of k point in the 1st BZ is determined? I mean, it's easy to think of a square lattice or a cubic structure. What about other shaped lattice, i.e. a triangular lattice?
 
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nicola_gao said:
As it's said, the number of k point in a first Brillouin zone is determined by the number of lattice sites. For exmaple, a 2-d n by m square lattice, its 1st BZ contains m by n k values and I assume these k values are equally separated.

My question is that how the layout of k point in the 1st BZ is determined? I mean, it's easy to think of a square lattice or a cubic structure. What about other shaped lattice, i.e. a triangular lattice?

The shape of the 1st BZ is determined by the lattice periodicity. Positions of k points in the Brillouin zone are determined by the size and shape of the crystal. Usually, periodic boundary conditions are applied on the crystal boundary, so the crystal as a whole is assumed to form a periodic unit cell. The size of this unit cell is huge, so the distance between k-points is very small. For all practical purposes one can assume that the crystal is infinite, and that actual positions of the k-points have no physical significance, and summations over k-points can be replaced by integrations in the k-space.

Eugene.
 
You construct the 1st BZ in the same way that you construct a Wigner-Seitz primitive cell. For a 2D triangular lattice (in k-space) of spacing c, this will give you a 1st BZ that is a regular hexagon of side c/\sqrt{3}
 
meopemuk said:
The shape of the 1st BZ is determined by the lattice periodicity. Positions of k points in the Brillouin zone are determined by the size and shape of the crystal. Usually, periodic boundary conditions are applied on the crystal boundary, so the crystal as a whole is assumed to form a periodic unit cell. The size of this unit cell is huge, so the distance between k-points is very small. For all practical purposes one can assume that the crystal is infinite, and that actual positions of the k-points have no physical significance, and summations over k-points can be replaced by integrations in the k-space.

Eugene.

I am now constructing a crystal of theoretically finite size. Can I understand as that, for a triangular lattice, the positions of k points exactly form a "triangular lattice" too in the 1st BZ? Thanks a lot!
 
I don't know. I've never thought about finite sized lattices before. I'd have to start from scratch and see what happens.
 
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nicola_gao said:
I am now constructing a crystal of theoretically finite size. Can I understand as that, for a triangular lattice, the positions of k points exactly form a "triangular lattice" too in the 1st BZ? Thanks a lot!

In the 2-dimensional case, a crystal cannot have the "triangular lattice". You probably meant a "parallelogram lattice". Each 2D crystal lattice has two basis vectors \mathbf{e}_1 and \mathbf{e}_2. Arbitrary lattice sites are linear combinations of these vectors with integer coefficients \mathbf{e} = n\mathbf{e}_1 + m\mathbf{e}_2. So, these sites form a "parallelogram" or a "distorted square" lattice.

The definition of the "reciprocal lattice" formed by \mathbf{k}-vectors is such that

\exp(i \mathbf{ke}) = 1...(1)

You can find in any solid state theory textbook that vectors \mathbf{k} also form a "parallelogram lattice" whose basis vectors can be easily found by solving eq. (1).

In the case of a crystal model with periodic boundary conditions, basis translation vectors \mathbf{e}_1 and \mathbf{e}_2 are very large (presumably infinite), which means that basis vectors of the reciprocal lattice \mathbf{k}_1 and \mathbf{k}_2 are very small, so the distribution of \mathbf{k}-points is very dense (presumably continuous).

Eugene.
 
meopemuk said:
In the 2-dimensional case, a crystal cannot have the "triangular lattice". You probably meant a "parallelogram lattice".

The term triangular lattice is quite usual in solid state physics, especially in 2D spin models. There is nothing wrong about using that common term.
 

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