Transforming 3rd order D.EQ into 1st order

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The discussion revolves around transforming a third-order differential equation into a system of first-order differential equations. The original equation is inhomogeneous, involving terms like \( t^4 \cos(2t) \). Participants are exploring how to express the system correctly while addressing the implications of the inhomogeneity.

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  • Participants discuss various representations of the system, questioning the necessity of certain variables and the treatment of the inhomogeneous term. There is a focus on ensuring the correct coefficients in the equations and the structure of the system.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's representations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of the equations, but there is still some uncertainty about specific coefficients and the overall formulation.

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Participants note the initial equation's inhomogeneity and its impact on the expected form of the resulting system. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the treatment of coefficients in the transformation process.

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[SOLVED] Transforming 3rd order D.EQ into 1st order

Homework Statement


Transform the following diff eq into a system of first order diff eqs.

2y''' - 6y'' - y' + 3y =t^4cos(2t)


The Attempt at a Solution


heres what I've done so far:
y =A A'=y'
y' =B B'=y''
y'' =C C'=y'''=6y'' + y' - 3y + t^4cos(2t)

C'=-3A + B + 6C +t^4cos(2t)
B'= C
A'= B

I don't know if this is correct because the initial D.Eq is not homogenous, don't know what to do with the t^4cos(2t)
 
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Well, of course the system of 1st order ODE won't be homogenous. You started out with an inhomogenous equation. Why should you expect the final answer to be homogenous? You don't need C at all. You only need to express as a system of 3 linear ODE with variables y,A,B. You don't have to let A=y. Just use y itself. Once you've done that you can simply just add in the t^4cos2t as a column vector to the right of the RHS.

Here's what I have:

[tex]y'=A[/tex]
[tex]A'=B[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \left(\begin{array}{cc}y\\A\\B\end{array}\right) = \left(\begin{array}{ccc}0&1&0\\0&0&1\\-\frac{3}{2}&\frac{1}{2}&-3\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{cc}y\\A\\B\end{array}\right) + \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\0\\t^4cos2t\end{array}\right)[/tex]

Are you required to solve this?
 
No just need to set up the equations
so the equation would look like:
y'=A
A'=B
B'=(-3y+t^4cos2t) + (A+t^4cos2t) - (6B+t^4cos2t)

not sure why you multiplied B' by 1/2, and also how did you come up with -3B not a positive 3B??
 
I see I forgot the coefficient 2 before y''', still can't see how you get -3B and not positive 3B
 
your solution does look correct.
If you actually wanted to solve this, you would probably first solve the homogenous version of the equation, then using that result... essentially guess solutions to the inhomogenous equation (the actual equation).
 
hils0005 said:
I see I forgot the coefficient 2 before y''', still can't see how you get -3B and not positive 3B
You're right about that; it should be 3B, not -3B.

[tex]\frac{d}{dt} \left(\begin{array}{cc}y\\A\\B\end{array}\right) = \left(\begin{array}{ccc}0&1&0\\0&0&1\\-\frac{3}{2}&\frac{1}{2}&3\end{array}\right)\left(\begin{array}{cc}y\\A\\B\end{array}\right) + \left(\begin{array}{cc}0\\0\\t^4cos2t\end{array}\right)[/tex]
 

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