Differential Equations: linearity principle

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The discussion revolves around a linear system of differential equations defined by dx/dt=x-y and dy/dt=x+3y. Participants are particularly focused on solving an initial value problem with given conditions.

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  • Some participants express confusion regarding the initial conditions, particularly the notation used for y(0) and whether it represents a vector or scalar. Others question how to apply the linearity principle with only one known solution and seek clarification on the fundamental concepts of initial value problems.

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Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of the problem and discussing various approaches to solving the initial value problem. Some have suggested alternative methods, such as expressing the system as a matrix equation or differentiating the equations further, but there is no explicit consensus on a single method to proceed.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct interpretation of the initial conditions, specifically whether y(0)=(0,2) is a valid representation. Additionally, some participants mention the potential requirement to use the given solution in their approaches.

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Homework Statement


Consider the linear system:
dx/dt=x-y
dy/dt=x+3y

a. show that the function (x(t), y(t))=(te2t, -(t+1)e2t) is a solution to the differential equation (easy)
b. Solve the initial value problem
dx/dt=x-y
dy/dt=x+3y

y(0)=(0,2)

need help with part b not a

Homework Equations


linarity principle
y(t)=k1y1(t) +k2y2(t)

The Attempt at a Solution


Really don't even know where to start. I understand how to use the linearity principle with two given solutions but not one. I feel like I am missing a very fundamental idea about initial value problems. So any idea on where I should begin with just one given solution?[/B]
 
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Dusty912 said:

Homework Statement


Consider the linear system:
dx/dt=x-y
dy/dt=x+3y

a. show that the function (x(t), y(t))=(te2t, -(t+1)e2t) is a solution to the differential equation (easy)
b. Solve the initial value problem
dx/dt=x-y
dy/dt=x+3y

y(0)=(0,2)
This is confusing. y(0) is a single number. Did you write 0,2 to mean the same thing as 0.2? If not, what's the initial condition for x(0)?
Dusty912 said:
need help with part b not a

Homework Equations


linarity principle
Which is what?
Dusty912 said:
y(t)=k1y1(t) +k2y2(t)

The Attempt at a Solution


Really don't even know where to start. I understand how to use the linearity principle with two given solutions but not one. I feel like I am missing a very fundamental idea about initial value problems. So any idea on where I should begin with just one given solution?[/B]
 
Rayonna said:

Homework Equations


p= Ɣmu
p= mv/ sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


a.
p= 1/ sqrt(1-.422c/c^2) *(.422c)(0)
= 5.51e-01

Dusty912 said:
Really don't even know where to start. I understand how to use the linearity principle with two given solutions but not one. I feel like I am missing a very fundamental idea about initial value problems. So any idea on where I should begin with just one given solution?

please see the following to get an idea of the question-
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/Linear.aspx
 
Dusty912 said:

Homework Statement


Consider the linear system:
dx/dt=x-y
dy/dt=x+3y

a. show that the function (x(t), y(t))=(te2t, -(t+1)e2t) is a solution to the differential equation (easy)
b. Solve the initial value problem
dx/dt=x-y
dy/dt=x+3y

y(0)=(0,2)
It looks like you are confusing two different notations. In your equations, dx/dt= x- y and dy/dt= x+ ,you have x and y as scalar functions but here you have y as a vector function with the previous x and y as components. In your original notation, you want x(0)= 0, y(0)= 2.
need help with part b not a

Homework Equations


linarity principle
y(t)=k1y1(t) +k2y2(t)

The Attempt at a Solution


Really don't even know where to start. I understand how to use the linearity principle with two given solutions but not one. I feel like I am missing a very fundamental idea about initial value problems. So any idea on where I should begin with just one given solution?[/B]
Are you required to use the given solution? There are several different ways of solving such a system of equations. For one, you could write it as a matrix equation:
\frac{d\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}}{dx}= \begin{pmatrix}1 & -1 \\ 1 & 3 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}
and it is easy to "diagonalize" that matrix.

Or, differentiating the first equation again, \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{dx}{dt}- \frac{dy}{dt} and replace that \frac{dy}{dx} with the second equation- \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{dx}{dt}- (x+ 3y) and replace that "y" with y= x- \frac{dx}{dt} from the first equation again.
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{dx}{dt}- x- 3(x- \frac{dx}{dt})= 4\frac{dx}{dt}- 4x. Can you solve \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}- 4\frac{dx}{dt}+ 4x= 0 with initial conditions x(0)= (0), x'(0)= x(0)- y(0)= 0- 2= -2?
 
HallsofIvy said:
It looks like you are confusing two different notations. In your equations, dx/dt= x- y and dy/dt= x+ ,you have x and y as scalar functions but here you have y as a vector function with the previous x and y as components. In your original notation, you want x(0)= 0, y(0)= 2.

Are you required to use the given solution? There are several different ways of solving such a system of equations. For one, you could write it as a matrix equation:
\frac{d\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}}{dx}= \begin{pmatrix}1 & -1 \\ 1 & 3 \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}x \\ y \end{pmatrix}
and it is easy to "diagonalize" that matrix.
It's not so easy. There's a repeated eigenvalue with only one eigenvector.
HallsofIvy said:
Or, differentiating the first equation again, \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{dx}{dt}- \frac{dy}{dt} and replace that \frac{dy}{dx} with the second equation- \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{dx}{dt}- (x+ 3y) and replace that "y" with y= x- \frac{dx}{dt} from the first equation again.
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}= \frac{dx}{dt}- x- 3(x- \frac{dx}{dt})= 4\frac{dx}{dt}- 4x. Can you solve \frac{d^2x}{dt^2}- 4\frac{dx}{dt}+ 4x= 0 with initial conditions x(0)= (0), x'(0)= x(0)- y(0)= 0- 2= -2?
 

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