How is the Fermi coupling constant related to the muon decay lifetime?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Fermi coupling constant and the muon decay lifetime, focusing on calculations and theoretical implications. Participants explore various equations and approximations related to muon decay, including the decay width and the role of the Fermi coupling constant in these calculations.

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  • One participant inquires about the numerical calculation of the Fermi coupling constant in relation to the muon decay lifetime, presenting relevant equations and values.
  • Another participant mentions using the Fermi contact approximation and assumes that the ratio of electron mass squared to muon mass squared is much less than one, simplifying the calculations.
  • Some participants provide specific values for the muon mass and Fermi coupling constant, suggesting methods to convert decay width into SI units.
  • There are calculations presented for the muon decay width and lifetime, with one participant reporting a calculated lifetime of approximately 2.1888 x 10^-6 s.
  • Another participant confirms the dimensionless value of the ratio of electron mass squared to muon mass squared and discusses the implications for the function I(x).
  • Further contributions include calculations for the electroweak fine structure constant and its relation to the muon decay width.
  • One participant humorously suggests considering contributions from second-order Feynman amplitudes.

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Participants express differing approaches and assumptions regarding the calculations, particularly concerning the use of approximations and the implications of the I(x) function. No consensus is reached on the best method or interpretation of the results.

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Some calculations depend on specific assumptions, such as the approximation used for I(x) and the values of physical constants. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the equations presented.

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I am inquiring if anyone here is qualified to numerically calculate the following equation:

Fermi coupling constant and Muon decay lifetime: (ref. 1)
\frac{G_F}{(\hbar c)^3} = \sqrt{\frac{192 \pi^3 \hbar}{(m_{\mu} c^2)^5 \tau_{\mu}}

Muon decay lifetime: (ref. 2)
\tau_{\mu} = 2.197034 \cdot 10^{- 6} \; \text{s}

According to ref. 3, the Fermi coupling constant is:
\frac{G_F}{(\hbar c)^3} = 1.166391 \cdot 10^{- 5} \; \text{GeV}^{- 2}

Muon decay width and lifetime: ?
\Gamma_{\mu} = \frac{1}{\tau_{\mu}}

However, according to ref. 2, the muon decay width is:
\Gamma_{\mu} = \frac{G_F^2 m_\mu^5}{192\pi^3} I \left(\frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2}\right)

I(x)=1-8x+12x^2ln\left(\frac{1}{x}\right)+8x^3-x^4

Also, Wikipedia ref. 2 does not explain what the I(x) function is, or what x represents.

I presume that:
I(x) = I \left(\frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2}\right) \; \; \; x = \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2}

Muon decay width: (ref. 4)
\Gamma_{\mu} = 3 \cdot 10^{- 19} \; \text{GeV}

key:
G_F - Fermi coupling constant
m_{e} - electron mass
m_{\mu} - muon mass
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Reference:
http://www.physics.union.edu/images/summer06/pochedley.pdf"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant"
http://books.google.com/books?id=-S...=M5VYRBiseTeT87rr7tjglfO6AAo&hl=en#PPA149,M1"
 
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I did muon calculation last week infact, however we did fermi contact approximation and assumed \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} << 1.

i.e. we assued I(\frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2}) = 1



Just use mass of muon= m_{\mu} = 0.105658369 \text{GeV} and
G_F = 1.166 \cdot 10^{-5} \text{GeV} ^{-1}

Then convert the witdh \Gamma into S.I units, i.e Joule

Then, at last: \tau = \hbar / \Gamma

Good luck
 
malawi_glenn said:
I did muon calculation last week infact, however we did fermi contact approximation and assumed \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} << 1
It is easy to plug in the values and check that the more refined calculation provides a very small correction. Besides, wikipedia does give the appropriate reference...
 
yes, with all that, I obtained lifetime = 2.1888 * 10^-6 s
 

Thanks malawi glenn and humanino for your collaboration!

x = \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} << 1

Dimensionless x value obtained:
x = \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} = \frac{(0.00051099891844 \; \text{GeV})^2}{(0.105658369 \; \text{GeV})^2} = 2.33901042277445 \cdot 10^{- 5} \ll 1

\boxed{x = 2.33901042277445 \cdot 10^{- 5}}

I(x) = 1 - 8x + 12x^2 ln \left( \frac{1}{x} \right)+ 8 x^3 - x^4
I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right) < 1
\boxed{I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right) = 0.999812949171918}
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Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon"
 
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Unit key:
\Gamma_{\mu} = \text{GeV} - Muon decay width
m_{e} = \text{GeV} - Electron mass
m_{\mu} = \text{GeV} - Muon mass
\tau_{\mu} = \text{s} - Muon lifetime

Wikipedia Muon lifetime:
\tau_{\mu} = 2.197034 \cdot 10^{- 6} \; \text{s}

Muon decay width:
\Gamma_{\mu} = \frac{\hbar}{10^{9} e \tau_{\mu}} = \frac{G_F^2 m_{\mu}^5}{192 \pi^3} I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right)
e - electron charge magnitude

Muon decay width with leptonic correction term:
\boxed{\Gamma_{\mu} = 3.00867837568648 \cdot 10^{- 19} \; \text{GeV}}

Fermi coupling constant:
\boxed{G_F = \sqrt{ \frac{192 \pi^3 \hbar}{10^{9} e m_{\mu}^5 \tau_{\mu} I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right) }}}

Solution for Fermi coupling constant with Wikipedia Electron and Muon mass and Muon lifetime and leptonic correction term:
\boxed{G_F = 1.16391365532758 \cdot 10^{- 5} \; \text{GeV}^{- 2}}

Wikipedia Fermi coupling constant:
\boxed{G_F = 1.166391 \cdot 10^{- 5} \; \text{GeV}^{- 2}}
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Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant"
 
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Muon lifetime:
\boxed{\tau_{\mu} = \frac{192 \pi^3 \hbar}{10^{9} e G_F^2 m_{\mu}^5 I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right)}}

\boxed{\tau_{\mu} = 2.19703403501795 \cdot 10^{- 6} \; \text{s}}

Wikipedia Muon lifetime:
\boxed{\tau_{\mu} = 2.197034 \cdot 10^{- 6} \; \text{s}}
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Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant"
 
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Wery good! Now do the contribution from second order feynman amplitudes =D
 

\Gamma_{\mu} = \frac{G_F^2 m_{\mu}^5}{192 \pi^3} I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right) = \alpha_w^2 \frac{m_{\mu}^5}{m_W^4}

key:
\alpha_w - electroweak fine structure constant
m_W = 80.398 \; \text{GeV} - W Boson mass

Electroweak fine structure constant:
\boxed{\alpha_w = G_F m_W^2 \sqrt{\frac{I \left( \frac{m_e^2}{m_\mu^2} \right)}{192 \pi^3}}}

\boxed{\alpha_w = 9.77054112064435 \cdot 10^{- 4}}

key:
\alpha_s = 1 - strong fine structure constant
m_p = 0.9382720298 \; \text{GeV} - Proton mass
m_X - X Boson mass
\Gamma_p - Proton decay width
\tau_p = 3.1536 \cdot 10^{42} \; \text{s} \; \; \; (10^{35} \; \text{years}) - Super-Kamiokande Proton decay lifetime

\Gamma_p = \frac{\hbar}{10^{9} e \tau_p} = \alpha_s^2 \frac{m_p^5}{m_X^4}

\boxed{\Gamma_p = 2.08717693773387 \cdot 10^{- 67} \; \text{GeV}}

X Boson mass:
\boxed{m_X = \left( \frac{10^9 e t_p m_p^5 \alpha_s^2}{\hbar} \right)^{\frac{1}{4}}}

\boxed{m_X = 4.32037202924731 \cdot 10^{16} \; \text{GeV}}
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Reference:
http://books.google.com/books?id=-S...=M5VYRBiseTeT87rr7tjglfO6AAo&hl=en#PPA149,M1"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_and_Z_bosons"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_and_Y_bosons"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronuclear_force"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_unification_theory"
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/unify.html#c1"

malawi_glenn said:
It is a strong interaction!
 
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What are you doing?

"It is a strong interaction" is my signature for all my posts:P
 

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