Bounding the Diameter of Union of Two Sets in a Metric Space

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The discussion revolves around bounding the diameter of the union of two sets in a metric space, specifically addressing three problems related to distances between subsets and their diameters. Participants explore proofs and inequalities involving metric spaces, focusing on the relationships between sets A, B, and C.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents three problems involving distances and diameters in a metric space, seeking assistance with proofs.
  • Another participant suggests using specific elements from set C to demonstrate the first problem, indicating a need to show that the distance between A and B can be bounded by distances involving C.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in applying the proposed method, noting that arbitrary choices of elements do not directly yield the required bounds.
  • There is a suggestion that the triangle inequality could be applied with certain choices of elements from C to help prove the inequalities.
  • Concerns are raised about proving the original problems for all choices of elements from C, indicating a challenge in generalizing the approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to approach the proofs, with multiple competing views on the applicability of specific elements and the generalization of the inequalities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to prove the original problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their approaches, particularly regarding the existence of specific elements in set C that minimize distances, and the challenge of proving inequalities for all possible choices of elements.

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Hi, I am stuck with the following proofs. In metric space
here, A,B,C are subset of metric space (X,d) and C is bounded



Problem 1.) d(A,B) <=d(A,C)+d(B,C)+diam(C)
Problem 2.)|d(b,A)-d(c,A)| <= d(b,c) where 'b' belongs to 'B' and 'c' belongs to 'C'.

Problem 3)- diam(A U B)<= diam A+ diam B+ d(A,B) ,Here d(A,B)= inf {d(a,b)| a belong to A and b to B}

I think if i get some clue even about one i can handle other one.

Thanks in advance..:)
 
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Hi nirajkadiyan6! :smile:

For the first one. Take a\in A,b\in B, c\in C,c^\prime \in C arbitrary. It suffices to show

d(A,B)\leq (a,c)+d(b,c^\prime)+d(c,c^\prime)

Can you show that?
 
This was the thing i proved in very first attempt but it is not helping me
This can be proved easily but, for arbitrary a and c, d(a,c) can't be simply written is d(A,C) as d(A,C) is smallest distance between some a',c'
so d(a,c)< d(A,C) for arbitrary a,c
Same holds for d(A,B)
 
Do you mean me to take c and c' to be those elements of C which makes d(A,C) and d(B,C) shortest.

If it is the case then i am done with my problem.
Can you suggest something about others.
 
nirajkadiyan6 said:
Do you mean me to take c and c' to be those elements of C which makes d(A,C) and d(B,C) shortest.

If it is the case then i am done with my problem.
Can you suggest something about others.

No, such a c and c' won't exist in general. But if you show the inequality in my post for all c and c', then you've shown it for the infimum too.
 
That's what the problem is. I am not able to show it for all c and c'.
 
just apply the triangle inequality for a certain choice of c and c'. This works for every choice of c and c'...
 
It works for all c and c' but then how can we prove the original problem with all c and c'
 

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