Proof of equality of diameter of a set and its closure

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The discussion revolves around the proof of the equality of the diameter of a set and its closure, specifically examining the relationship between the diameter of a set and the diameter of its closure in a metric space. Participants explore various approaches and considerations in the proof, including the roles of isolated points and limit points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when proving diam(cl(A)) ≤ diam(A), it is important to consider whether points x and y in cl(A) could be isolated points, proposing that they should instead be limit points of A.
  • Another participant counters that if x and y are isolated points, they must belong to A, thus allowing the proof to proceed as usual since the balls B(x,r) and B(y,r) would intersect A.
  • A later reply reiterates that if x and y are isolated points, it would imply that diam(A) equals diam(cl(A)), as they are included in A.
  • Participants express that the main issue arises with points in cl(A) that are not part of A, indicating a potential gap in the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the treatment of isolated points versus limit points in the proof. There are competing views on how to approach the proof and the implications of including isolated points.

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The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the definitions and properties of isolated points and limit points, as well as the implications for the proof of the diameter equality.

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In showing diam(cl(A)) ≤ diam(A), (cl(A)=closure of A) one method of proof* involves letting x,y be points in cl(A) and saying that for any radius r>0, balls B(x,r) and B(y,r) exist such that the balls intersect with A.

But if x,y is in cl(A), isn't there the possibility that x,y are isolated points? Shouldn't we let x,y be in the set of limit points of A?

But doing that, I get (a is in the intersection of B(x,r) and A, b is in the intersection of B(y,r) and A).

d(x,y)≤d(x,a)+d(a,b)+d(b,y)<2r+d(a,b)
Then taking the supremum of both sides
∴ sup{d(x,y): x,y in the set of limit points of A} ≤ 2r+sup{d(a,b): a,b in A}
∴ sup{d(x,y): x,y in the set of limit points of A} ≤ 2r+diam(A)

The problem being the left hand side doesn't become the definition of diam(cl(A))


*https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=416201 (post #6)
 
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Sure, ##x## and ##y## can be isolated points. But then you know that ##x,y\in A## for sure. So ##B(x,r)## and ##B(y,r)## intersect ##A##. Hence the proof continues like usual.
 
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Ah, thanks micromass. If x and y were assumed to be isolated points it would just follow that diam(A)=diam(cl(A)) cause they're in A right?
 
chipotleaway said:
Ah, thanks micromass. If x and y were assumed to be isolated points it would just follow that diam(A)=diam(cl(A)) cause they're in A right?

Yeah, clearly the only problem is with points which are in ##\mathrm{cl}(A)## but not in ##A##.
 

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