Where does the (5/2) come from in calculating thermal energy of diatomic gas

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The discussion centers around the origin of the (5/2) factor in the calculation of thermal energy for diatomic gases, specifically in the context of thermodynamics. Participants explore the concept of specific heat capacity at constant volume (CV) and its relation to degrees of freedom for diatomic and monatomic gases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the significance of the (5/2) factor for diatomic gases and whether more complex ratios are needed for exams.
  • Another participant explains that the (5/2) value is derived from counting degrees of freedom, noting that diatomic gases have 7 total degrees of freedom (3 translational, 2 vibrational, and 2 rotational), but typically only 5 are counted due to frozen vibrational modes.
  • The same participant mentions that for monatomic gases, only translational degrees of freedom are considered, leading to a (3/2) value.
  • There is a mention of the heat capacity ratio (γ=CP/CV) and its relevance, along with the relationship between specific heat capacities at constant volume and pressure.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the physical representation of the ratio R in the context of specific heat capacity.
  • A response clarifies that specific heat capacity represents the energy required to change the temperature of a gas, with distinctions made between constant volume and constant pressure scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the derivation of the (5/2) factor from degrees of freedom, but there is no consensus on the necessity of remembering more complex ratios or the physical representation of the units involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the frozen vibrational degrees of freedom and the applicability of the heat capacity ratio may not be universally accepted or applicable in all contexts.

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So I am doing a second year thermodynamics course and would like to know. Do we just have to remember (5/2)PV for a diatomic gas, why is it 5/2 and also what is it for a monatomic gas. Also would we have to remember more complex ratios for exams?

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This is value known as specific heat capacity at constant volume, or CV. You obtain said quantity by counting degrees of freedom and dividing it by 2. For diatomic gas, there are 7 total, 3 translational, 2 vibrational, and 2 rotational, but the 2 vibrational degrees of freedom are typically "frozen out". So you only count the 5. That gives you the 5/2. For monatomic gas, there are only the translational, so you get 3/2.

Realistically, the value will be off by a bit. There is an associated quantity γ=CP/CV known as heat capacity ratio. You can look it up for gas of interest, and use the fact that CP=CV+1 to compute the actual ratio.

Note that all these values are in units of R. So the actual specific heat capacity of diatomic gas at constant volume will be 5/2R per mole of gas.
 
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This is value known as specific heat capacity at constant volume, or CV. You obtain said quantity by counting degrees of freedom and dividing it by 2. For diatomic gas, there are 7 total, 3 translational, 2 vibrational, and 2 rotational, but the 2 vibrational degrees of freedom are typically "frozen out". So you only count the 5. That gives you the 5/2. For monatomic gas, there are only the translational, so you get 3/2.

Realistically, the value will be off by a bit. There is an associated quantity γ=CP/CV known as heat capacity ratio. You can look it up for gas of interest, and use the fact that CP=CV+1 to compute the actual ratio.

Note that all these values are in units of R. So the actual specific heat capacity of diatomic gas at constant volume will be 5/2R per mole of gas.

Thanks, that makes sense now. Except, my book doesn't go through the derivation, it doesn't give the unit R just the ratio. What does it physically represent?
 
Same as any heat capacity. How much energy you need to change the temperature. With gases, however, you can either hold the cylinder closed, and then the volume remain constant, but pressure changes with temperature, or you can have a piston in the cylinder, which keeps pressure constant, but let's volume vary. Because moving piston takes work, you need more heat to increase temperature when you keep pressure constant. Hence, CP is higher than CV.

So suppose you want to change the temperature by ΔT in a closed cylinder, id est, constant volume. The amount of heat will be ΔQ = nCVΔT, or for diatomic gas, ΔQ = 5/2 nRΔT

Keep in mind that the symbol CV may be used for specific heat capacity, as I have been doing, or for total heat capacity.
 

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