Finding angular frequency about the equilibrium position.

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The discussion revolves around finding the angular frequency of a particle oscillating in a potential energy well described by a specific equation. The original poster has identified equilibrium positions through differentiation of the potential energy function.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the potential energy function to find equilibrium positions and question how to derive angular frequency from this information. There is uncertainty about the implications of the second derivative test and the relevance of the quadratic equation in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the Taylor expansion of the potential energy function around the equilibrium points, suggesting a focus on the second-order term. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the mathematical approach and explore the implications of the equilibrium conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a correction to the potential energy equation and ongoing discussions about the nature of the equilibrium positions, with some confusion about their classification as static or not. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the distance over which oscillations occur.

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Alright so I've got a potential energy equation U(x) = E/β^4(x^4+4βx^3-8(β^2)x^2) and U'(x) = E/β^4[4(x^3) + 12β(x^2) - 16(β^2)x] (where β and E are constants) that describes a particle of mass m which is oscillating in an energy well. I solved for where the system has equilibrium positions through simple differentiation of U(x). (an equilibrium is at x=β and x=-4β) Now I have to find the angular frequency about each equilibrium position and estimate how small the oscillations should be around the equilibrium position.

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I figure that since dU/dt = ma, I can differentiate U(x), equate it to acceleration, and solve for ω. However, the equation for U(x) is rather messy, and I still don't know across which distance the particle is oscillating. Any ideas?
 
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pymn_nzr said:
equilibrium position\rightarrow \frac{\partial U}{\partial x}=0



find static position \left.\begin{matrix} \frac{\partial^2 U}{\partial x^2} \end{matrix}\right|_{X=x_{1},x_{2}}> 0
 
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But how does that help me solve for angular frequency? I have already found the equilibrium positions where U(x) is concave.
 
Aesteus said:
Well I'm trying to find the angular frequencies of the particle at its equilibrium positions.
I'm not quite sure where you go that quadratic equation. Could you explain in more detail?

Thanks
this is diagram U(x)
1-equilibrium position(STATIC)\left.\begin{matrix} \frac{\partial^2 U}{\partial x^2} \end{matrix}\right|_{X=x_{1},x_{2}}> 0

2-indfferent\left.\begin{matrix} \frac{\partial^2 U}{\partial x^2} \end{matrix}\right|_{X=x_{1},x_{2}}= 0

3-equilibrium position(not static)\left.\begin{matrix} \frac{\partial^2 U}{\partial x^2} \end{matrix}\right|_{X=x_{1},x_{2}}< 0
 

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Aesteus said:
U(x) = E/β^4[4(x^3) + 12β(x^2) - 16(β^2)x] (an equilibrium is at x=β and x=-4β)



an equilibrium is not at x=β and x=-4β
 
Arghgagh ... there should be a prime in the original potential energy equation above. I corrected it.
Thanks.

-But the values of x = β and -4β are still correct.
 
The equilibrium points are correct. Write up the Taylor expansion of U(x) around both of them and stop at the second order term.

ehild
 

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