How to Build a Synchronous Demodulator Using Basic Components

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The discussion revolves around the design and implementation of a synchronous demodulator using basic electronic components, specifically focusing on challenges faced in creating an effective circuit for demodulating a unique AM signal derived from a sensor output. Participants explore various techniques and components that could be utilized in the design process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their current setup involving two amplifiers and a voltage-controlled switch but expresses concerns about the effectiveness of their filtering approach, particularly the Butterworth filter.
  • Another participant suggests that envelope detection could suffice for demodulating an AM signal, questioning the necessity of synchronous detection in this context.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of having a phase-locked local oscillator for synchronous detection, noting that lack of synchronization can introduce unwanted frequency components.
  • One participant acknowledges their understanding of the theoretical aspects of demodulation but struggles with practical circuit implementation, particularly in filtering out the fundamental frequency from the output.
  • Another participant argues that synchronous detection may not be necessary for AM signals and suggests that adequate low-pass filtering could be sufficient.
  • One participant mentions that if there is a DC component present, it could manifest as a 20 kHz signal, indicating potential issues with the filtering design.
  • A later reply proposes using an unmodulated output from the sensor system as an input to a multiplier circuit to create a basic synchronous demodulator, suggesting that proper biasing and phase alignment could minimize the 20 kHz frequency at the output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and effectiveness of synchronous detection versus envelope detection for AM signals. There is no consensus on the best approach to take, and various challenges related to filtering and circuit design remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their current designs, including issues with filtering effectiveness and the presence of unwanted frequency components in the output signal. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about the nature of the AM signal being processed and the components available for use.

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I need to make a synchronous demodulator using basic components (op-amps, etc...) and I was wondering if anyone has currently made one. I want to avoid using an custom IC chip unless there is one available. I was looking into the Analog's AD630 and TI's INA143 (which they claim can be used as one) but I'm not exactly sure how to hook them up and I think it might be cheaper to actually just build one.

Currently I have the following setup but I'm wondering if anyone has a more efficient design or setup:

I have the input AM signal going into two amplifiers, one non-inverting and the other inverting which go into a voltage controlled switch. The switch oscillator between the two inputs (the outputs of the two amplifiers) based on the carrier frequency (20 kHz). One problem is that I have the output of the switch going into 3 low-pass filters. Two are just basic capacitor-resistor networks and the last one is a Butterworth 2nd order filter. The problem is that the Butterworth filter isn't enough for some reason. I need the two passive low-pass filters before it to get a nice smooth signal.

Also even after the Butterworth filter the signal still contains a frequency content of 20kHz, which at this point isn't so bad but I can't figure out why this is happening.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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I'm not understanding your technique of demodulation. This page may be of help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demodulation

For an AM signal, you can just use envelope detection -- there is not really a need to use synchronous detection. Alternately, you can use synchrous demodulation with In-phase (I) and Quadrature-phase (Q) balanced mixers with the carrier frequency driving the I and Q modulators (out of phase). You then combine the I and Q demodulated outputs to get your AM modulating signal back.

For balanced mixers, you can use the classic MC1496 IC...
 
For synchronous detection you need a local oscillator that is phase locked to the signal you want to demodulate. This oscillator is used to switch (/ multiply) the received signal. If the oscillator isn't locked, the demodulator produces 'beats' on top of what you want.
Sorry if this is too obvious for words. :smile:
 
Thank you for the replies. I do understand the demodulation process in theory but what I'm having trouble with is creating a circuit using components I have and the reason is because the AM signal I'm working with isn't really a typical AM signal... It is modulated but its unique because it's from a sensor output and I can't use the envolope dector.

Currently what I have seems to work but I was looking to improve it. Also, I can't rid of the fundamental frequency of the circuit at the final output and I don't understand why it is happening, espically in simulation and since I'm filtering the output signal through 3 low-pass filters.
 
If you have AM, you do not need a synchronous detector. After rectification you just need adequate low pass filtering. Even a notch would do.
 
If you have a little DC, it will become a 20 kHz signal.
Generally, your LPF is well under this.
 
If your sensor system has an extra output from it with a plain, unmodulated on it then you can use this as one input to a multiplier circuit . Put your AM signal on the other input and you will have yourself a basic synchronous demodulator circuit. Once you have the biasing and phases right, there will be little 20kHz on the output from this.
 

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