Center of Mass Calculation: x-bar, y-bar

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the center of mass for a given figure, incorporating aspects such as density and thickness. Participants explore the mathematical approach to finding x-bar and y-bar, while addressing the integration process involved in the calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the integration process for calculating x-bar, questioning the placement of density and thickness in the equations.
  • Another participant explains that dm can be expressed as the product of density and volume element, suggesting a formula for dm based on the dimensions of the figure.
  • Some participants suggest that the uniform density and thickness may not significantly impact the overall calculation, indicating that understanding the integration process is more critical.
  • A participant proposes that integrating against y might simplify the calculation, referencing the area of a triangle as a helpful concept.
  • There is a mention of approaching the problem from the perspective of finding the axis of zero net torque, introducing a different angle to the discussion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the level of understanding of the original poster, indicating a need for further clarification before proceeding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that understanding the integration process is essential, but there are differing opinions on the relevance of uniform density and thickness in the calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the integration method or the significance of certain parameters in the calculations, leaving some assumptions and steps unresolved.

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Homework Statement



I need to find the center of mass of the given figure attached. I am given the density (7850 kg/m^3) and a thickness of 0.3 cm (not sure where this goes)

Homework Equations



Just some things I need to verify:

When finding the x-bar of the function y=x3 using the equation:

\bar{x}= \frac{∫ \tilde{x} dm}{∫dm},

Is my \bar{x} going to be the x distance(which will just be "x") times x3dm?

Also, will x3 be in the denominator just before "dm"?

If I am also given a density ρ, will that stay in front of each integrand or in front of (\frac{∫ \tilde{x} dm}{∫dm})? And would I calculate the thickness with the \bar{z}?

Is the same process is done for the \tilde{y} or are there differences?

I know this may be a lot but I'd like to make sure of the method.
Thanks!

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dm as the amount of mass in a volume element at point (x,y) with width dx, height dy, and thickness t ... that would be ##dm = \rho(x,y) dV = \rho tdxdy##
...that help clarify things?

Of course you can simplify the calculation a lot by understanding it.
 
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aaronfue said:

Homework Statement



I need to find the center of mass of the given figure attached. I am given the density (7850 kg/m^3) and a thickness of 0.3 cm (not sure where this goes)

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I suggest paying very little attention to the (uniform) density and not too much time on the (uniform) thickness ...
 
rude man said:
I suggest paying very little attention to the (uniform) density and not too much time on the (uniform) thickness ...
Well, me too ... though it comes out in the wash :) It's part of the "you can simplify the calculation a lot by understanding it" thing.

It is also easier to do the integration against y instead of x and part of the integration can be done just by knowing the formula for the area of a triangle - but I don't know how much aaronfue understands vs memorizes equations. Do need to hear from him before we can continue methinks.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Well, me too ... though it comes out in the wash :) It's part of the "you can simplify the calculation a lot by understanding it" thing.

It is also easier to do the integration against y instead of x and part of the integration can be done just by knowing the formula for the area of a triangle - but I don't know how much aaronfue understands vs memorizes equations. Do need to hear from him before we can continue methinks.

Big 10-4, Simon. Not having my textbook at the ready right now, I would approach the problem as finding the axis of zero net torque under gravity and arbitrary orientation, in which case integration of a differential wedge dθ might make sense. As an EE I'll probably pass on doing the actual work, so talk's cheap! :biggrin:
 
Who needs textbooks when you have google ;)
 
Simon Bridge said:
Who needs textbooks when you have google ;)

True, true. So chalk it up to indolence on my part ... :blushing:
 

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