Is There a Difference Between Covariant and Contravariant Tensor Notations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences in meaning and definition between covariant and contravariant tensor notations, specifically focusing on the placement of indices in tensor expressions. The scope includes theoretical aspects of tensor notation and its implications in mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a difference in meaning when tensor indices are written closely together versus spaced apart, recalling that they had read about a distinction.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of spacing when contracting with the metric tensor in abstract index notation, providing examples that illustrate how different placements can lead to different results unless the tensor is symmetric.
  • A third participant suggests that the choice of notation is a matter of convention, indicating that one form can be substituted for another as long as the convention is consistently applied.
  • One participant claims that non-spaced indices indicate a symmetric tensor in their respective components, although this assertion is not universally accepted in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of index placement, with some arguing for the significance of spacing in tensor operations while others suggest that it may not matter as long as conventions are followed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive impact of these notational differences.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about tensor symmetry and the definitions of covariant and contravariant indices, which are not fully explored or agreed upon by participants.

Markus Hanke
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I am just wondering, is there a difference in meaning/definition between the indices of a tensor being right on top of each other

A_{\mu }^{\nu }

and being "spaced" as in

A{^{\nu }}_{\mu }

I seem to remember that I once read that there is indeed a difference, but I can't remember what it was.

Thanks in advance.
 
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The spacing is very important if you are contracting with the metric tensor using the abstract index notation. For example if ##A^{a}{}{}_{b}## is a tensor then ##g^{bc}A^{a}{}{}_{c} = A^{ab}## but if we consider ##A_{c}{}{}^{a}## then ##g^{bc}A_{c}{}{}^{a} = A^{ba}## which will not equal ##A^{ab}## unless the tensor is symmetric. The notation ##A^{a}_{b}## makes the contraction with the metric tensor ill-defined in abstract index notation (index free notation is a different story of course).

The action of the tensor on a covector and a vector will subsequently be ambiguous if all you write down is ##A^{a}_{b}## because ##A_{b}{}{}^{a}v^{b}\omega_{a} = g^{ac}A_{bc}v^{b}\omega_{a} \neq g^{ac}A_{cb}v^{b}\omega_{a} = A^{a}{}{}_{b}v^{b}\omega_{a}## in general, so the spacing is important.
 
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You just need a convention for the order.
$$A{_\mu }^{\nu } \\
A{^{\nu }}_{\mu } \\
A_{\mu }^{\nu }$$

So the third one can be substituted for one of the others as long as you always know which one, or that it does not matter which.
 
Non-spaced indices represent symmetric tensor (in respective components).
 

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